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Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different?
    #605033 - 04/11/02 07:18 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I keep reading about Panaeolus cyanescens and Psilocybe cyanescens. Are these two different shrooms or is one of them misnamed. I have noticed Psilocybe cyanescens have been said to have to be grown on wood and are hard as hell to cultivate, but Panaeolus cyanescens are easy and use a dung substrate.

Somebody please 'splain to me!


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #605043 - 04/11/02 07:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Very different.  Ps. Cyans are a woodlover, Pan Cyans are dung lovers, sometimes I dont know about the naming conventions that are being used, just too much confusion, but maybe thats half the fun. :smile:

You're in luck, I'm completely fuckin burnt on studying, so you get pictures to illustrate differences.

First, Psilocybe Cyanescens:

picture from lycaeum
Now, Paneolus Cyanescens:

picture from sporeworks - sorry if i'm leeching off you guys - i hope thats not a problem?


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Split]
    #605455 - 04/11/02 04:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Is it true that Pan. cyans are 7 times as potent as the cubensis?

I'm getting ready to order some sporeprints from ralph, I wanna pick some good choices.


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #605658 - 04/11/02 08:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think the reason the Psilocybe cyanescens are reputedly difficult is that they are different. They are sensitive to temperature. The maximum temperature is lower than cubensis so they die in the heat easier. They grow the mycellium at 70 to 75 degrees so no incubater is needed. They fruit between 50 to 60 degrees so this is the problem--how do you do this in your home. People in southern climates might not even want to try this. I don't have any problem getting this temperature here in Toronto. I am going to try to grow them outdoors as well as indoors. They grow slower than cubensis and don't give the same yield. They get contaminated easily. One way to grow them without cold is to do the mass mycellium technique. You grow them in jars of organic honey water (sterile) and after 5 weeks you eat the mycellium. This way they don't have to go through the cold phaze. I don't know if this works but I have my fingers crossed. This could make the whole process very simple. Hopefully the mycellium is also 7 times stronger. There is some controversy about whether this works.


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Orchidman]
    #605727 - 04/11/02 09:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Orchidman you're a good dude, your posts are always nice and long and full of content.  Myself, I'm a huge fan of Ps. Cyanescens, they were my first contact with the magic fungus world, and while I havent sampled one in about 3 years, I plan on harvesting some from the wild this fall.  Hopefully anyway :smile:


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #605748 - 04/11/02 10:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know where I got this chart but i remember there was a discussion at the place i got it about the inaccuracy of it. Still a cool chart.


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #605982 - 04/12/02 03:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

>Is it true that Pan. cyans are 7 times as potent as the cubensis?
No, it is not true. They are around double the potency though, and the trip is different.

They yield much less on the other side.


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: Anno]
    #606057 - 04/12/02 04:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, I'm looking for different trips. What can you tell me about subbs? here MJshroomer describes them as "cartoony". That sounds good, what do you think he meant by that?


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Re: Pan. cyans, Psi. cyans same shroom or different? [Re: ALHOFF177A17]
    #606080 - 04/12/02 06:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was under the impression that azurescens and cyanescens were closely allied species in which the only difference was the wavy cap on the cyanescens. I have never injested either so this is only from my reading. I would be interested to find out why the cyanescens does not stack up in the chart.


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