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Haunted by Death
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I want to share with you all a story which has me very upset, because I dont know what is happening and am helpless to stop it. I know most of us who have experienced paranormal moments, mysterious consiously aware happenings will be able to consider what I tell you intelligently and perhaps help me find a rational action plan.

I have a close friend who seems to be suffering from a strange spiritual crisis of which he is unable to defend against and is slowely driving him crazy. From what he describes to me, it is as if "death" is haunting him and doing this in very strange and diabolical ways. One of these methods he explained was that he can feel physical manifestations of insects and flies on his face and body. Constantly having to swipe them away during his waking hours. It is making him unable to concentrate or enjoy daily life. He says that many prayers have been said, much soul searching, much reviewing of his spiritual self in hopes that an answer might be revealed to him, but he still cannot figure a way to defeat what is happening, though he explains that it isnt so much "fear" which is the problem, but that he is vulnrable to these methods he claims are of a demonic force. We cannot say for sure, and think that perhaps through drug use, he has opened the pandora's box or offended some spiritual authority. I have prayed for his soul and talked to various people, including a preacher who suggested that it is perhaps a means for a person to become aware of their wrongfullness and uncleaness under a holy God. This I found quite unjust, for it almost forces a person to change without helping him do so. I really can't give him the answers needed and I wanted to share this with the people here because perhaps many of you may have experience similar things and can help me, help him defeat whatever entity, plague, curse is haunting this poor man.


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Requim for a Dream - Paul Oakenfold
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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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Sounds like your friend could do with some professional help, at least see a doctor and rule out a physical cause first, after all if my car breaks down I see a mechanic first and a preacher last.

I'm not ruling out the power of prayer though, I remember one time I had the flu and I prayed for 5 days and it vanished!


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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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If he is doing drugs, he should completely stop for a while to see if this haunting continues.
If yes, perhaps some autogenous training could help to install his spirit back into his body ?
Else, some other meditative trainings for insight might bring him some explanation of the 'cause' to this problem.
Of course the aid of 'selected' helpers also should not be refused.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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It looks more likely an energy attack. Maybe somebody is trying to intentionally hurt him by drying him off his positive energy. These things happen, they've happened to me and it was a very hard time of my life that I finally managed to get pass it. Though it took some time. Tell him to go to a psychic, I mean a real one, a healer. Tour friend will know if it's for real a true psychic or not, it feels. So when he doer find that, he could get real help and his energy will be all ok again.
And yes, he must be prepared for a fight cause he's the one who has to
do it so he can get his power back but eventually he'll get out more strong and wise from it. I'll pray for your friend.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: soulcircus]
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Blue Coyote - I will advise for him to focus on keeping sober and away from the mind inducing substances, these will only exagerate the feelings I imagine. I don't know much about hypnotics, what would this do exactly? Put him into a trance like state so as to dive into the sub-consious and see if the source of his crisis can be radified? Is it possible then that it is an internal conflict of the soul or spirit? From what he describes, it is an external manifestation into his reality, and he often feels at peace and still mentally secure about his beliefs and faith, though, quite confused as to why he is being tormented in such a way.

MushroomTrip - I think this sounds very very accurate, because although he isn't positive that it is actually "death" haunting him, it could be just derived from his imagination trying to put a face on the energy, which seems evidently negative. This guy is a rather spiritual person and has much heart and fundamentals concerning life, I've already much debated over this and tried calling on the force (demon?) and rebuking it by the holy spirit, except I see no change, sadley I can not do the work of christ, though it is said he gives certain people authority over evil. You say that it is somthing which you have experience personally also? During this time then, was it that you were internally seperated and induced into depression or that you actually felt the physical torments that this poor soul is experiencing? I still think it is a gateway of some form, a vulnrability which he must choose to relinquish command over him, but it is defineing what that is and how to close it. Perhaps I will advocate the seeking out of a pyhcic healer, atleast it will be somthing...which might cure him.

soulcircus - Right now, he seems mentally stable about it all. Its become more of a helpless annoyance which he longs to be unburdoned from. He believe's it is a curse of the soul and of the mind and enivatibly can and will be defeated.

Thanks for the help people, I honestly want to help this person get a grip on this unfair, and unjust spiritual harrassment soon. Why should good people be brought into such states? Why do they target the kind and tamed hearted? I do not understand this, but it is not right.


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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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All i said above is to rate, if it really is any external 'attack'.
Through insight, we can see, where this attack hurts us and may eventually see, where this attack comes from. That gives us possibilities to act !
If it really is a spiritual 'attack' of some kind, then you can get rid of it if you can assure, that this is your physical realm, and you are the only possessor of your mind in this realm as it is built on physical laws and no 'psychic' attack is allowed to harm you here by default. I have done this stuff a few times and it works wonders. At the same time, everytime you claim your physical rights, you loose a bit of your 'transcendental' abilities. But I think, the price is fair.
There you can close the channels, where this attack stems from.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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WIZOLZ said:
You say that it is somthing which you have experience personally also? During this time then, was it that you were internally seperated and induced into depression or that you actually felt the physical torments that this poor soul is experiencing?


It wasn't mannifesting the way it does to him, but the feelings I had were close to what he's describing. After a period of time that I felt this way, I just suddenly felt the urge to fight back and got tired of eing down. But yes, a healer can help and support you very well in this fight. By guyding your thoughts and energyes in order for having the power to stand on your feel and keep the stranght whyle you take this fight. It isn't easy, but not so hart eother, you just really have to want it. That goes for anything really cause it's not just a figure a speach, it is the true. If someone relly wants something he or she will get there eventually. And yes, there can be also traps which come as doubts so check them, questioning and facind these doubts is a good thing to do too.
Someone who I love very much and I think he's more then roght said don't be weooried that your life will stop, worry if it never begins. Which is the same with taking risks. Sure, you can harly lose if you don't rsk anything, but also you can't win. And we're made to win here, so who minds a few or more losings as well, whene there is so much at stake? We should gaing as much presonal strenght as possible and strnght comes from losing too. So coming back to this guy who's haunted by death, I think he must to anything possible and impossible (as well) to fight to get his strenght back, cause it's more then a matter of being alive, it's a matter of carma too. So I say let's all try to concentrate and focus in sending this guy some good vibes, who knows when we'll need it too?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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One may choose to blame Beelzebub [Lord of the Flies], but insects are a common hallucination. The feeling of 'coke bugs' is clinically called 'formication' (as in formic acid - the venom of ant stings). Schizophrenics also experience insects or parasites under the skin, or belive them to be internally. Some spurious 'spiritual' beliefs like Voudun (Voodoo) say that toads and snakes have gotten into a person. I knew someone with AIDS in the early days who quit western medicine, quit his Catholic faith and turned to a Voudun Houngan (medicine man) who gave him emetics to drive out the snakes and toads. He puked and s**t himself to death before the AIDS could claim him.

Bottom line is that there is an interface between religion and psychopathology. Lots of madness comes in the form of messianic complexes, demonic oppressions and possessions, and other weirdnesses. Bram Stoker's fictional character Renfield 'really' was being possessed by the devil in the form of Dracula, yet he was committed to an insane asylum for saying that he served an evil master. This interface can be seen in the Biblical stories of Jesus and the demoniacs. It could be that both religion and psychology are addressing the same reality, but I would have your friend checked by a clinician (mental health counselor, psychologist, etc.) first. Documented demonic possessions are fairly rare.


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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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It might be the drugs that hes taking, some drugs are good to clear this thing up, and it'll clear it right up, but drugs taken wrong can make it worse, to me he is experiences some type of schizophrenic situation, is he weak?, does he spend alot of time alone? is any other crisis going on that could cause him to stress?not to say this is not spiritual like he says, I'd make sure hes taking his medicine right, and stay relaxed, get outside more. Discourage any spiritual notions, thats what demons want, attention, and then they get blown out of proportion.

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: MushroomTrip]
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BlueCoyote - How right you are about defining the "area's" of attack and then understanding the source for which derives such things. Though I would like to believe that I am inherently the sole possor of my mind, this is not so. The workings of our bodies may be unknown to me and you, they are not this way to spiritual intelligence. But, I did suggest exactly what you said and It has helped him create a stronger opposing argument when dealing with these things heavily. I most surely would want to close the centers for which have left him vulnrable in life. If only I knew exactly how, or if it is at all possible. Can man or woman control external psyhcic forces?

MushroomTrip - Strength of spirit is a powerful ally in our fight against ourselves. Healers can also be anyone, most times just having a free trustable company to work through the complexities is enough, whether they know the answers is irrelevant, you will eventually find them through discussion I believe. God is the greatest healer of all and a person who has a means to "reach" this will find the power and courage to overcome any disorders of the soul. He would that none of his children were lost and all were saved, so it is writen and so I believe. Wouldn't you believe it also if you had no other alternative? I love the power of hope.

Markos - You have done a good thing by clarifying these things for me. In many ways, I have speculated over the connection between patheologic disorders and spirituality. I am afraid of this as a conclusion however, for obvious reasons of identity and protection. To me, it seems as if the mind is the source of the worst influences...because you cannot escape the mind and this, if by any other means would be the greatest "tool" Hell would use to destroy us. You say though, that actual demoic cases have been had? Would you possibly share one with me, either here or through a PM?

I did some research about these "Spiritual Flies" and what I found was a refrence article to biblical scripture and an expanded description of further meaning. It was speaking of the apothocary and the ointments used in ancient times as a fresh perfume scents. ( Ancient Day Cologne )

"Dear lady, would you wish to whiff this new ointment of mine? Oh yes, It's called "Fair ben hazle." ---This is a joke. (smile)

Ok, the general theme was of having "dead flies" in the ointment and causing it to stink. Of coarse this is in refrence to our spirits and temptations for which get in and cause it to fester with negative energy. Quite interesting I would say, because it seems to be as literal as can be for this person. Which leads me to believe that perhaps the gateway for which he can percieve these feelings is being used to "help" him defend his body and spirit against the afflictions of the damned ghost. Though, most surely with time and dedication, and abstinence and worship, and prayer and fellowship, he will find the great light for which will sheild all the sinister methods used to snare us.

and so we share on. ^_^  :japsmile:


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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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Capliberty - Well, I know that he is very isolated and rarely has social interaction as he should. He is far from weak, we used to fist fight all the time, but if you mean mentally then no. Still I will agree that is a form of schizophrenia, though I worry about setting labels on things, these usually get blown out of proportion i think. Just to add, these are all very insightfull connotations, though I woudlnt attribute this instance to any alterior stressfull delima's. This is spiritual, it is of the soul and of the mind. The man is very controlled in his reasoning, I must admit and tolerant beyond measure. I just pray his power to comfort and encourage his faith is won. God is working through him on levels which I could not understand.


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"The mis/abuse of any form of power, is the worst form of ignorance"
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WIZOLZ - Lover with a Killer's Smile

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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WIZOLZ said:
MushroomTrip - Strength of spirit is a powerful ally in our fight against ourselves. Healers can also be anyone, most times just having a free trustable company to work through the complexities is enough, whether they know the answers is irrelevant, you will eventually find them through discussion I believe. God is the greatest healer of all and a person who has a means to "reach" this will find the power and courage to overcome any disorders of the soul. He would that none of his children were lost and all were saved, so it is writen and so I believe. Wouldn't you believe it also if you had no other alternative? I love the power of hope.



Indeed, God IS the ultimate healer. And by reaching Him the healing comes to you and stays there. But also, when in such a situation of low powers, you need any possible help, even a good thought. A healer or a psychic can also show you where the problem comes so you can know
how to approach it. Sometimes, when in the dark, all you need to find your way our is only a quick flash of light. Cause many time you have the picture in your head and know all you need to do, but need a reassurance. Our mind has a funny way to be. There are situations in which we find ourselves and consider them as being only small problems but still never manage to find their solutions and we get stucked, and other situations which we find horrific and without sollution and still be able to solve them almost instantly. And I think, besides the role our resources have, it's a matter of approach. Maybe everything has to be taken seriously in order to get them right.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: MushroomTrip]
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It could be caused by repressed emotions. You can mentally manifest alternate egoes by repressing certain emotions too long and not letting them out. Its almost like a split personality but not quite. I personally dont believe in demonic possessions.


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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
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I think demonic possessions are these energy attacks or bad vibes which in my opinion exist. So lol yes me neither, I don't believe in a devil or demon, but this a christian bull shit anyways, and got invented for some other reason but this is not the topic to discuss it.
And hid mind having long time repressed feelings don't happen just like that, out of the blue, but the reason can be very well something like that.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I had a friend who was schizophrenic, he had about 10 personality in him, they all talked as if they were demons, but it was also him insinuating the cause, but it seemed real in way, but fake in way, if that makes sense, it was part an act, and it was part him loosing it, these personalities kept him entertained also, he could virtually have conversation and a get along with himself, people would stare at him, thinking I wish I had what he had, because it was so strange, most people didn't know what to make of it, a person talking to himself and being totally oblivious to his environment, which hinted to me, it wasn't really about attention.

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: capliberty]
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Well untill now none could tell for sure wether schizofrenia is a psychological illness maybe it is in oart. But I think there are many deiiferent things looking like schizoid behaviour and not all if them are.
It also depends cause many times schizofrenia comes along with other affections as well and that could be a kind of key regardong it's nature.
No one REALLY made so much research in that domain, and I still think the best results lol come from testing on yourself. Many schizophrenic
persons have a very high iq and amazing memory... so, it makes you wonder.... are they really that ill?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Many schizophrenic
persons have a very high iq and amazing memory... so, it makes you wonder.... are they really that ill?

Its funny that you mention this, he was pretty dam smart, he exhibited an acute memory as well,

he was really ill, but alot was him bringing it on himself though, it all started so innocently too, he lost his job, and kept referring to social anxiety as his root cause, I'm not the most outgoing, but he was so inhibited at a time it was crazy, I'd say a significant more so, than your average shy person, he was like trapped in his perfectionist complex, if it wasn't perfect he would buckle up, and this was what caused him to go into a deep depression.

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: capliberty]
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Yes so see in my opinion schizophrenia is not an illness of the mind, of the psychic, it sounds to me more like a turbulence of the soul. Which, FUNNY, we all have that. We all have schizoid moments and most of us get pulled back in some way and others stay there. It could also be because they're more determined then us if you see what I mean. A quality can very easily transform into a weapon and a faut can get you of the shit sometimes. And what needs to be done is finding that secret bridge that makes the connexion between "normality" and "schizophrenia". On the other hand, it can also be related in some cases with some energy attacks, which not only others can do to you, but sometimes you do them to yourself in an unconscious mode.
The thing is that WE ALL have that switch, all we need to do is figure out how it works. We'll have a lot to gain in my opinion, it's like finding a new psychedelic, the only difference is that one is already inside all of us, which is way kooler ans not to mention that we have the power to activate and deactivate it when we feel like.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Haunted by Death [Re: WIZOLZ]
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"Markos - You have done a good thing by clarifying these things for me. In many ways, I have speculated over the connection between patheologic disorders and spirituality. I am afraid of this as a conclusion however, for obvious reasons of identity and protection. To me, it seems as if the mind is the source of the worst influences...because you cannot escape the mind and this, if by any other means would be the greatest "tool" Hell would use to destroy us. You say though, that actual demoic cases have been had? Would you possibly share one with me, either here or through a PM?"

This book was the basis for the fictional 'The Exorcist' film. It goes beyond the psychic realm of psychology, psychiatry, mental health counseling, etc. into a spiritual realm. Scariest book I ever read because it had me reformulate my earlier notion of evil as 'Privatio Boni' - simply an absence of goodness - into a true presence. I have grown quite a bit since then, and I have a framework within Kabbalism that has helped me to understand the necessity of 'Severity' or 'Wrath' as the opposing principle of 'Mercy.' Pick it up and have a look when you're at the bookstore. My own experiences with the demonic is something I'd rather not converse on.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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