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How do I meditate?
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I would really love to just clear my mind then let it wander...but I don't know where to start. I've done a little research and found a wide variety of styles, so I'll start with my goal. I want to get to a very deep level of thinking. So deep that I'm not really me anymore, but I'm everything. Kind of like I'm sitting back and reading my mind like a book, or watching it like a movie. Not like a psilocybin induced meditation/ego death, but a sober, calmer, state. Any tips for a newbie? I'm extremely curious as to the benefits of deep meditation but I feel like I'm too attatched to myself to go that deep. It takes me over 15-20 minutes just to fall asleep because I'm constantly thinking about things. I've done enough psychadelics to understand that there's more to the mind that what I percieve, and I want to get there by the power of my own mind. After all, even when you dose on mushrooms or LSD, in the end it's your mind that's showing this to you...

Edited by Newbie (06/18/06 08:15 PM)

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Newbie]
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ever tried a white noise machine?

once you learn the sound of static you can make it without a machine.

good place to start, but ultimately your goal is blankness and clarity.

don't forget to keep fantasizing and imagining, though! Those are important as well.

The only reason you need to learn to meditate is for clarity and concentration. That way you control your fantasies and not the other way around.

also, it is nice to clear your head so you can go to sleep.

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: DoctorJ]
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Repeating mantras is useful, too.


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Newbie]
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Meditation can be fairly difficult.
It took me several attempts before I had any success.
Here is a link to My Meditation

I hope this helps.

The key to becoming good at meditation is practice.


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Newbie]
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be silent and still, then breathe

this is meditation

everything else is a gimmick



thoughts will come and thoughts will go, watch what the thoughts do to you, but abstain from letting them do anything to you (this is why the practice of non-attachment is important if you wish to make real progress), but when you can't help it and a thought makes you feel happy/sad analyze the impact you will on yourself

when the analyzation reaches a dead end, and it will, stop the analyzation, excess analyzation leads to complications further on down the path

sincere seekers will eventually deal with these complications and in doing so will make great strides, but those that are not so sincere will leave the complications and dress them in neurosis so they look pretty and nice

at the dead end you may wish to stop at this point and get on with your day, in doing this you will begin to attract the subtle nuance that will eventually help you get past this dead end

or at the dead end you may wish to continue with your stillness, silence, and breathing, in this way you will come to more dead ends and start to see an emerging pattern which will, unto an important puzzle piece

the puzzle piece could mean that you've been a closet homosexual for 40 years, or that you need to stop eating raisins in the afternoon.


any meditation is good, but if you sincerely desire to realize your divine nature then you must develope a steady practice


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Newbie]
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I am trying to learn to meditate as well, and am having trouble. Ever since i tripped mushrooms ive been able to close my eyes and see mild CEVs, and with my eyes open i can bring myself to see melting/breathing walls, to certain degrees. But when i concentrate too much they disapeer/go away. To see these hallucinations, i have to zone out or something, its hard to explain.
but sometimes i feel like the closest ive been to clearing my mind is by trying to see this way. sometimes i attempt to see how strong i can make the hallucinations become, through this "nonconcentration" So to all you who know how to medtitate, am i on to something here or what? Has anyone used this method meditate?


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: daytripper23]
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http://www.vipassana.com/meditation/mindfulness_in_plain_english.php

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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reading your mind like a book, separating your self from your Self, not a calm process...


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Lion]
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Usually solitude from society, which allows one to think as an indiviual, and not as a mass of conformity. In essence, your most potent mediation may develop from misunderstanding or confusion of certain things or siuations, and when in solitude away from the problem, you let your thoughts float around patiently.... patience and understanding are usually the keys to mediation.


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"Sanity is not statistical."


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: DinahTheCat]
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yeah, I had to spend at least 5 years in isolation from society in order to begin becoming an adept.

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: DoctorJ]
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Meditation is becoming a regular compulsion for me now. Im constantly closing my eyes and trying to re asess the "here and now." Trying to be mindfull, and disconecting from the outer world for a few moments usually helps me in this way. It isn't actually meditation though.

I also use it to get rid of head aches after prolonged stimulas abuse..I like to feel half on the verge of sleeping and half consious, just a pervasive peacefullness and calmness, focus on breathing. I cant stand doing that crazy leg maneouver, so I just sit in my chair.


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: WIZOLZ]
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hey interesting info guys. anyone know if i am on the right track by embracing hallucinations, like i said on my previous post? the only reason i think this is the most clear headed ive felt is when i am doing this.


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: daytripper23]
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IT helps me from becoming overstressed.


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"Sanity is not statistical."


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: DinahTheCat]
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i learned as a little kid to meditate (before i knew what that was) by closing my eyes, and figuring out what color i was seeing.

its not white, its not black.. its actually void of any color (unless its bright, then you may see the pink from the blood in your eyelids :smile:)  but once you understand that lack of color, as you "see" it (even though your eyes are closed), its like cleaning the palette, then you can bring something into mind and focus on it.  unfort. that last part, bringing in another thought to focus on is much harder using this technique.  there are other techniques where you can just concentrate on what you want to focus on, and start from there.. however I find that very difficult, and usually avoid that method.

it takes about 10 minutes to do at first, but after a while, it can be done pretty quick, given you practice.


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: kotik]
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yeah i was way tooo add as a kid, to be able to have the mind span to focus on something like that. The closest i came to that was when i would hold my breath underwater in either my pool or the tub, it was cool.


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"Sanity is not statistical."


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Cherk]
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Smoker For Peace said:
be silent and still, then breathe

this is meditation

everything else is a gimmick



:thumbup:

My parents have been meditating twice a day for 40 years.  I learned 14 years ago.  There are many kinds of meditation but this is how we do it.  It is very powerful, and easy.  sit down, upright, in a comfortable position.  focus on your breathing.  or you can repeat a mantra, like "om".  your mind will naturally wander, that's good.  when you notice that it wanders, go back to the mantra/breathing.  That's it.  The more you do it the more powerful it becomes.  I reach altered states within a minute.  Also, never quickly end a meditation.  you must come out slowly (5 minutes), otherwise you can cause yourself stress and come out worse than when you went in.


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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
- The Beatles

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: tallgreen]
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So I'm supposed to close my eyes, but not relax them like I'm sleeping, just kind of stare...?

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: tallgreen]
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tallgreen said:
Also, never quickly end a meditation. you must come out slowly (5 minutes), otherwise you can cause yourself stress and come out worse than when you went in.


This is an important point that I've also realized. You have to keep things flowing, so there is a process of relaxing. You cannot simply say 'ok I'm bored now time to get up'. That is the exact opposite attitude that you should have. It should be a natural feeling like 'ok, now is the time to get up'.

I think that meditation, while cross legged, is actually a very physically demanding process - especially if you are talking about longer meditations of an hour or more. You really do have to be physically fit to do that.

One of my favorite things to do is swimming. So I will eat a good meal, go swimming, then meditate afterwards when my body is relaxed, yet strong. The same process could work for a walk, a run, a shower - whatever. My point is that it's easier to meditate when your metabolism is going.

I think this is an important thing to consider because of posture. Sitting cross legged gives you a great balance. If you can simply maintain that posture, it is very beneficial not only for your peace of mind, but also for your ability to balance, which gives you the natural inclination to have good posture.


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Please keep in mind that I am just a human being. Please read my posts carefully and interpret their meaning for yourself.

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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: The_Hobbit]
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use the force


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"Sanity is not statistical."


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Re: How do I meditate? [Re: Newbie]
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NewbieShroomie said:
So I'm supposed to close my eyes, but not relax them like I'm sleeping, just kind of stare...?


Not with my technique, which is, Transcendental Meditation, or TM. There is no strain, or painful focus. It should feel effortless, easy, comforting.


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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
- The Beatles

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