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Salvia's banned, but now the tough part
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http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060506/NEWS/605060321/1006/rss

Salvia's banned, but now the tough part
Most Del. police officers unfamiliar with hallucinogenic plant
By MIKE CHALMERS
The News Journal
05/06/2006

A bill that outlaws a widely available hallucinogenic herb breezed through the Delaware General Assembly last month and became law this week. That was the easy part.

Now, police agencies face the more difficult task of enforcing the ban on salvia divinorum. The plant is legal in 47 states and can be purchased with just a credit card on hundreds of Internet sites. Plus, it is largely unknown, and unrecognizable, to local police and health officials.

"We're taking it to our investigators now to educate them on what the leaves look like and such," said Capt. Chip Simpson, commander of the Delaware State Police special investigations section.
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New Castle County police are assembling pictures of salvia and information about it so officers can handle it properly if they do come across it, Cpl. Claudine Malone said.

Legislators made salvia divinorum a Schedule I controlled substance, putting it in the same category as heroin and LSD. Gov. Ruth Ann Minner signed the bill Tuesday night.

The measure is called Brett's Law, after Brett Chidester, a 17-year-old Salesianum School senior who killed himself in January. Chidester wrote in his suicide note and other essays that salvia had made him see that life was pointless.

On Tuesday, Dr. Adrienne Sekula-Perlman, deputy chief medical examiner in Delaware, revised Chidester's death certificate to add "salvia divinorum use" as a contributing cause of his death. The immediate cause remains carbon-monoxide poisoning, which happened when Chidester enclosed himself in a tent and lit a charcoal grill.

Sekula-Perlman would not comment on her decision.

The connection between salvia and Chidester's suicide has been the subject of national media attention, including reports by USA Today, CNN and National Public Radio's All Things Considered. Chidester's parents, Dennis and Kathy Chidester, said journalists from across the country have called them, asking them to retell their story.

The attention has prompted other states to consider banning salvia, too.

Dave Stancliff, a legislative assistant to Alaska state Sen. Gene Therriault, said he read about Chidester's death on the Internet and began looking into salvia.

"After many, many, many hours of research on Web sites, [Therriault] came to the conclusion that this is a substance we should try to work ahead of," Stancliff said.

Salvia is already for sale in smoke shops in Anchorage and Fairbanks, Stancliff said, and the Internet makes it even more accessible.

"The click of a mouse, and you can have this sent to you, no matter what age you are," he said.

Therriault's bill would put salvia in the same category as other hallucinogens, including LSD, mescaline and peyote. It has not passed the state Senate yet, but Stancliff said he expects little opposition.

"It would send a message to suppliers that we're not in the salvia business here in Alaska," Stancliff said.

Only Missouri and Louisiana have banned salvia, and some online salvia suppliers say they will not ship to addresses in those states. Others say they'll ship salvia anywhere.

"Part of [the law's goal] is education, so people know what it is and what the effects are," Stancliff said. "The second part is that law-abiding places find other places to ship."

New Jersey legislators also are considering outlawing salvia in the wake of Chidester's suicide. Three state Assembly members said last month they would sponsor a bill to ban possession and use of salvia.

Other states, including New York, Illinois and Tennessee, have been considering salvia bans since before Chidester's suicide.

For all the attention salvia is getting, though, it still is not widely known outside small pockets of users.

Since Missouri outlawed salvia last year, it has not shown up in drug prosecutions handled by the state Attorney General's Office, spokesman John Fougere said.

"We haven't seen anything in our office about enforcing this law," he said.

Simpson, the Delaware State Police commander, said he considers the new state law a tool that police can use to crack down on overall drug abuse, even if salvia rarely is encountered.

"If we do run into it, it's another hammer we can put on people," Simpson said.


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: motaman]
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"On Tuesday, Dr. Adrienne Sekula-Perlman, deputy chief medical examiner in Delaware, revised Chidester's death certificate to add "salvia divinorum use" as a contributing cause of his death. The immediate cause remains carbon-monoxide poisoning, which happened when Chidester enclosed himself in a tent and lit a charcoal grill."

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Mezcal]
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I HATE RETARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :foreheadslap: :undecided: :bomb: :crankey: :hitler: :flipthebird: :stonedjerk: :thumbdown: :banghead: :hulk: :lame: :wtf: :fuckyou: :shitstorm:


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
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I wouldn't say he is a retard. That shit will fuck up some people permanently without them even knowing it. I wish I could get some Salvia plants before it becomes impossible to order em.


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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this perverts legal process, and perverts democratic process.
we learned to do it well at the spanish inquisition.


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said:
I wouldn't say he is a retard. That shit will fuck up some people permanently without them even knowing it. I wish I could get some Salvia plants before it becomes impossible to order em.



WTF are you talking about? Like the guy that is pushing for laws against Salvia is going to read this  :rolleyes: Like I care if he gets fucked up for permanently because I called him what he is  :rolleyes:


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
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Apparently you don't know much about psycosis and affect psychedlics have on some people's brains.


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"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
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Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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Well, I'm super super pissed/mad whatever...I tried ordering some Salvia last nite *before* it got banned in my state. Low and behold, on April 13, TN legislation passed a bill banning it and I can't order it anymore. I was only purchasing it in case somewhere down the line a few years from now I might want to experience it again, but it'll be tough now.


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said:
Apparently you don't know much about psycosis and affect psychedlics have on some people's brains.


Its their own fucking fault. Spirits hurt people because people allow them that power. You think this power plant should be illegal for real?


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
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out of all the drugs that i have tried.. which is quite a few... salvia is the one i have never liked.. and i can def see what people are saying about it.. do i think it should be illegal no.. i dont believe the government should be allowed to tell us as humans what we can and can't put into our bodies.. however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
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EquilibriuM said:
downforpot said:
Apparently you don't know much about psycosis and affect psychedlics have on some people's brains.


Its their own fucking fault. Spirits hurt people because people allow them that power. You think this power plant should be illegal for real?


I never said it should be illegal...

Spirits? Are you serious? Did you just say spirits? As in the supernatural kind of spirits?


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"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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Obviously has never met Sally....


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Banez]
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Quote:
OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there


please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.

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Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.


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Edited by demius (05/11/06 06:32 PM)

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: demiu5]
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demius said:
Quote:
OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there


please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.

Edit: to downforpot:

Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.


Dude, that is some BS. I am biochem major, there is no way I am going to believe in some spirits unless this phenomena is studied under a microscope.


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"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: demiu5]
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yeah i mean that is just my opinion.. and i did mean from an experience standpoint.. im not sure what the medical effects of it is.. however all i know is it was the most disturbing experience i have ever had from a drug.


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Banez]
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Yea, my friend freaked out on Salvia; started punching the walls, screaming. That shit's nuts but I still say keep it legal, but that legality depends on the Christians in power and the Christians that are "pressing the pedal" every time the politicians say "THIS SCOURGE".


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"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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like i think its extremely fucked up that the Government thinks that they can tell us what we can and can not put into our bodies.. who are these individuals to be able to control us. i think that is the stupidest shit ever


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said:
demius said:
Quote:
OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there


please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.

Edit: to downforpot:

Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.


Dude, that is some BS. I am biochem major, there is no way I am going to believe in some spirits unless this phenomena is studied under a microscope.


LOL You cant study the second attention from the perspective of the first... You would learn more by beating your head against a wall until you pass out.

Do you realize that your on a site devoted to power plants? Power plants you don't believe in... I find that a little bit odd...


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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
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Downforpot-
Coming from a scientific backround, I can understand your point of view. Even religion, in its many forms, still has yet to be proven.
People tend to believe what they percieve to be real. Is a spiritual guide more believeable than an angel?
I, myself, was very skeptical of the what they call ethnogens. I have encountered other *entities* in the past( not drug related, thank you) After many hours of research, I decided to try and see if this was indeed true.
My method of meditation and preparation are important, but not in this context.
I was able to, indeed, make contact with what appeared to be a feminine presence.

If you don't believe it, that's your choice. No one is going to change your mind if it is closed to the possibility.

But I challenge you to research this plant some, find someone that is experienced in these matters, and try it for yourself. If, after your experience with Sally, you still don't believe, then you can alter your opinion by saying it has been tested scientifically.

Peace

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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
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EquilibriuM said:
downforpot said:
demius said:
Quote:
OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there


please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.

Edit: to downforpot:

Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.


Dude, that is some BS. I am biochem major, there is no way I am going to believe in some spirits unless this phenomena is studied under a microscope.


LOL You cant study the second attention from the perspective of the first... You would learn more by beating your head against a wall until you pass out.

Do you realize that your on a site devoted to power plants? Power plants you don't believe in... I find that a little bit odd...



Power plants that I don't believe in? Believe in what? What you said made me think of religion and the belief in God. I read the Bible everday but I don't actually believe in it... I do enjoy shrooms, cid, x for fun but I ain't gonna worship it.


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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