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Salvia's banned, but now the tough part
#5613348 - 05/10/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060506/NEWS/605060321/1006/rss
Salvia's banned, but now the tough part Most Del. police officers unfamiliar with hallucinogenic plant By MIKE CHALMERS The News Journal 05/06/2006
A bill that outlaws a widely available hallucinogenic herb breezed through the Delaware General Assembly last month and became law this week. That was the easy part.
Now, police agencies face the more difficult task of enforcing the ban on salvia divinorum. The plant is legal in 47 states and can be purchased with just a credit card on hundreds of Internet sites. Plus, it is largely unknown, and unrecognizable, to local police and health officials.
"We're taking it to our investigators now to educate them on what the leaves look like and such," said Capt. Chip Simpson, commander of the Delaware State Police special investigations section. Advertisement
New Castle County police are assembling pictures of salvia and information about it so officers can handle it properly if they do come across it, Cpl. Claudine Malone said.
Legislators made salvia divinorum a Schedule I controlled substance, putting it in the same category as heroin and LSD. Gov. Ruth Ann Minner signed the bill Tuesday night.
The measure is called Brett's Law, after Brett Chidester, a 17-year-old Salesianum School senior who killed himself in January. Chidester wrote in his suicide note and other essays that salvia had made him see that life was pointless.
On Tuesday, Dr. Adrienne Sekula-Perlman, deputy chief medical examiner in Delaware, revised Chidester's death certificate to add "salvia divinorum use" as a contributing cause of his death. The immediate cause remains carbon-monoxide poisoning, which happened when Chidester enclosed himself in a tent and lit a charcoal grill.
Sekula-Perlman would not comment on her decision.
The connection between salvia and Chidester's suicide has been the subject of national media attention, including reports by USA Today, CNN and National Public Radio's All Things Considered. Chidester's parents, Dennis and Kathy Chidester, said journalists from across the country have called them, asking them to retell their story.
The attention has prompted other states to consider banning salvia, too.
Dave Stancliff, a legislative assistant to Alaska state Sen. Gene Therriault, said he read about Chidester's death on the Internet and began looking into salvia.
"After many, many, many hours of research on Web sites, [Therriault] came to the conclusion that this is a substance we should try to work ahead of," Stancliff said.
Salvia is already for sale in smoke shops in Anchorage and Fairbanks, Stancliff said, and the Internet makes it even more accessible.
"The click of a mouse, and you can have this sent to you, no matter what age you are," he said.
Therriault's bill would put salvia in the same category as other hallucinogens, including LSD, mescaline and peyote. It has not passed the state Senate yet, but Stancliff said he expects little opposition.
"It would send a message to suppliers that we're not in the salvia business here in Alaska," Stancliff said.
Only Missouri and Louisiana have banned salvia, and some online salvia suppliers say they will not ship to addresses in those states. Others say they'll ship salvia anywhere.
"Part of [the law's goal] is education, so people know what it is and what the effects are," Stancliff said. "The second part is that law-abiding places find other places to ship."
New Jersey legislators also are considering outlawing salvia in the wake of Chidester's suicide. Three state Assembly members said last month they would sponsor a bill to ban possession and use of salvia.
Other states, including New York, Illinois and Tennessee, have been considering salvia bans since before Chidester's suicide.
For all the attention salvia is getting, though, it still is not widely known outside small pockets of users.
Since Missouri outlawed salvia last year, it has not shown up in drug prosecutions handled by the state Attorney General's Office, spokesman John Fougere said.
"We haven't seen anything in our office about enforcing this law," he said.
Simpson, the Delaware State Police commander, said he considers the new state law a tool that police can use to crack down on overall drug abuse, even if salvia rarely is encountered.
"If we do run into it, it's another hammer we can put on people," Simpson said.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: motaman]
#5613465 - 05/10/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"On Tuesday, Dr. Adrienne Sekula-Perlman, deputy chief medical examiner in Delaware, revised Chidester's death certificate to add "salvia divinorum use" as a contributing cause of his death. The immediate cause remains carbon-monoxide poisoning, which happened when Chidester enclosed himself in a tent and lit a charcoal grill."
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Mezcal]
#5614792 - 05/10/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I HATE RETARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5615923 - 05/11/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say he is a retard. That shit will fuck up some people permanently without them even knowing it. I wish I could get some Salvia plants before it becomes impossible to order em.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5616303 - 05/11/06 05:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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this perverts legal process, and perverts democratic process. we learned to do it well at the spanish inquisition.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5616699 - 05/11/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: I wouldn't say he is a retard. That shit will fuck up some people permanently without them even knowing it. I wish I could get some Salvia plants before it becomes impossible to order em.
WTF are you talking about? Like the guy that is pushing for laws against Salvia is going to read this Like I care if he gets fucked up for permanently because I called him what he is
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5617439 - 05/11/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Apparently you don't know much about psycosis and affect psychedlics have on some people's brains.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5617641 - 05/11/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, I'm super super pissed/mad whatever...I tried ordering some Salvia last nite *before* it got banned in my state. Low and behold, on April 13, TN legislation passed a bill banning it and I can't order it anymore. I was only purchasing it in case somewhere down the line a few years from now I might want to experience it again, but it'll be tough now.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5618076 - 05/11/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: Apparently you don't know much about psycosis and affect psychedlics have on some people's brains.
Its their own fucking fault. Spirits hurt people because people allow them that power. You think this power plant should be illegal for real?
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5618139 - 05/11/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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out of all the drugs that i have tried.. which is quite a few... salvia is the one i have never liked.. and i can def see what people are saying about it.. do i think it should be illegal no.. i dont believe the government should be allowed to tell us as humans what we can and can't put into our bodies.. however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5618169 - 05/11/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: Apparently you don't know much about psycosis and affect psychedlics have on some people's brains.
Its their own fucking fault. Spirits hurt people because people allow them that power. You think this power plant should be illegal for real?
I never said it should be illegal...
Spirits? Are you serious? Did you just say spirits? As in the supernatural kind of spirits?
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5618419 - 05/11/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Obviously has never met Sally....
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Banez]
#5618426 - 05/11/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there
please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.
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Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: demiu5]
#5618461 - 05/11/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there
please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.
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Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.
Dude, that is some BS. I am biochem major, there is no way I am going to believe in some spirits unless this phenomena is studied under a microscope.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: demiu5]
#5618490 - 05/11/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah i mean that is just my opinion.. and i did mean from an experience standpoint.. im not sure what the medical effects of it is.. however all i know is it was the most disturbing experience i have ever had from a drug.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Banez]
#5618545 - 05/11/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea, my friend freaked out on Salvia; started punching the walls, screaming. That shit's nuts but I still say keep it legal, but that legality depends on the Christians in power and the Christians that are "pressing the pedal" every time the politicians say "THIS SCOURGE".
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5618556 - 05/11/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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like i think its extremely fucked up that the Government thinks that they can tell us what we can and can not put into our bodies.. who are these individuals to be able to control us. i think that is the stupidest shit ever
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5618663 - 05/11/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there
please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.
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Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.
Dude, that is some BS. I am biochem major, there is no way I am going to believe in some spirits unless this phenomena is studied under a microscope.
LOL You cant study the second attention from the perspective of the first... You would learn more by beating your head against a wall until you pass out.
Do you realize that your on a site devoted to power plants? Power plants you don't believe in... I find that a little bit odd...
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5618759 - 05/11/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Downforpot- Coming from a scientific backround, I can understand your point of view. Even religion, in its many forms, still has yet to be proven. People tend to believe what they percieve to be real. Is a spiritual guide more believeable than an angel? I, myself, was very skeptical of the what they call ethnogens. I have encountered other *entities* in the past( not drug related, thank you) After many hours of research, I decided to try and see if this was indeed true. My method of meditation and preparation are important, but not in this context. I was able to, indeed, make contact with what appeared to be a feminine presence.
If you don't believe it, that's your choice. No one is going to change your mind if it is closed to the possibility.
But I challenge you to research this plant some, find someone that is experienced in these matters, and try it for yourself. If, after your experience with Sally, you still don't believe, then you can alter your opinion by saying it has been tested scientifically.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5618870 - 05/11/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OHSBrave06 said:however salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there
please keep in mind that is your opinion. But, there are some people who don't and won't ever have the right mindset to use psychedelics. Salvia should be used responsibly, and, apparently, many people are not doing so. It is true the effects of Salvinorin A on the body are unknown from a medical/scientific standpoint, but please don't say that it is "so much worse" if you're comparing it to health effects as to say crack or heroin. If you mean "so much worse" as in the experience/effect of the plant, then I agree that it is the most intense "drug" I've ever done. I'm not trying to rip you a new one or anything, but this is something important to thousands of people if not more.
Edit: to downforpot:
Yea, spirits, entities, whatever you want to call it. The first time, the first hit I ever took, there was a female figure watching over me from my room the whole time, whispering, talking, and singing all at the same time. Soon afterwards I gained a slight amount of control over the experience...one time I left my body and flew a city away to check on some people (I described things my friends were doing which I would have had no way of knowing) and another time I relived my life, every fucking second of it.
Dude, that is some BS. I am biochem major, there is no way I am going to believe in some spirits unless this phenomena is studied under a microscope.
LOL You cant study the second attention from the perspective of the first... You would learn more by beating your head against a wall until you pass out.
Do you realize that your on a site devoted to power plants? Power plants you don't believe in... I find that a little bit odd...
Power plants that I don't believe in? Believe in what? What you said made me think of religion and the belief in God. I read the Bible everday but I don't actually believe in it... I do enjoy shrooms, cid, x for fun but I ain't gonna worship it.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: downforpot]
#5618949 - 05/11/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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whoa dude... I'm not talking about the bible... I'm talking about the reality that exists beyond the illusion... the reality that the power plants are here to show us...
The second attention is a serious place, people get fucked up there when they fail to treat it as such. This is not a reason for prohibition, it is a reason for education and respect. You should know that when you ingest Salvia that you are opening yourself up to a very powerful spirit. If you don't show respect, if you don't have your head straight, you might get fucked up. Thats what you get for being ignorant.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5619005 - 05/11/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"It is a reason for education and respect. You should know that when you ingest Salvia that you are opening yourself up to a very powerful spirit. If you don't show respect, if you don't have your head straight, you might get fucked up."
That's about how I see it, as well. Alot of ethnogens are like that. People go into it without respect and knowledge, and then are baffled when refused entrance.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5620575 - 05/12/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: The second attention is a serious place, people get fucked up there when they fail to treat it as such. This is not a reason for prohibition, it is a reason for education and respect. You should know that when you ingest Salvia that you are opening yourself up to a very powerful spirit. If you don't show respect, if you don't have your head straight, you might get fucked up. Thats what you get for being ignorant.
that could not have been said better, like i completely agree. if u dont respect it, it will def fuck u up
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Banez]
#5625699 - 05/13/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i wonder if he put any salvia on the grill now thats hotboxin
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: fresh313]
#5841389 - 07/10/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drunk + Salvia = uh oh
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: bucket949]
#5841831 - 07/10/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's amazing how fucked up the legislators are these days...
Nobody seems to even want freedom... everyone just wants to find a new thing to fear, or to hate... as long as they believe it gives them the right to attack it...
Resorting to nameless wars for lack of an excuse to kill... a very sad state to see so many in...
How many lives will be ruined in the war against salvia?
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5842173 - 07/10/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is why i have stocked up on multiple ounces of dried leaf. hahaaaa
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: SunshineDaydream]
#5842192 - 07/10/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And why I am Canadian =)
(not to say our government is doing a great job these days...)
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: Banez]
#5843393 - 07/10/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OHSBrave06 said: ohowever salvia is soo much worse than some other things out there
salvia is a plaything. there is no addictive potential. it can be scary as hell but has shown no known lasting physical side effects. i would place salvia at the bottom of the list for problematic drugs.
as an aside; this was qualified as a suicide from an event that immediately makes me think, "retarded accident". iow, did this guy intentionally kill himself with a lit grill in a tent? i have to say, it is one of the more intelligent methods i've ever conceived.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: motaman]
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motaman said: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060506/NEWS/605060321/1006/rss
Dave Stancliff, a legislative assistant to Alaska state Sen. Gene Therriault, said he read about Chidester's death on the Internet and began looking into salvia.
"After many, many, many hours of research on Web sites, [Therriault] came to the conclusion that this is a substance we should try to work ahead of," Stancliff said.
Great way to pass a law on salvia. No studies or anything?
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: TypicalTripper]
#6868223 - 05/03/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuck studies, let's all drink beer.
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: motaman]
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People could always stock up on the stuff in case it gets banned. If they really love it. I don't like the stuff that much. Everyone talks about the spirit of salvia being all wise. When i smoked it i defintely had some spirit talking to me telepathically and answering my questions, i could literally sense in the room for hours afterwards. It seemed more like me and salvia were getting to know one another. I'm not sure it's an omnipotent (all knowing) spirit, during my trips the spirit seemed very eager to learn from me, honestly and one wierd trip i think i accidently told it i was the all mighty and it looked up to me the whole time. The spirit seemed very timid and i was constantly insulting it and having to appoligize, i'm not sure what it has to teach me, it seemed very delicate which doesn't gell with my personality and seemed more interested in love and such than struggle for self expression and influence and ideas i consider important. I might check it out in the future. It was the first time i talked to a spirit and never really thought that possible. it was also very bizarre and hard to comphrehend what was going on. I'm not sure just because slavia is spiritual it means it's necessarly all wise and all knowing, it seems like a curious, somewhat timid female to me who wants to learn as much as teach. This could be due to my personality however.
-------------------- "Miracles will happen as we trip." Seal "Born with insight and a raised fist...Action must be taken. We don't need the key we'll break in. rip the stage, rip the system I was born to rage against 'em. What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy? I've got no patience now so sick of complacence now. know your enemy! Those who died are justified. we gotta take the power back! Some speak the sounds but speak in silent voices. transmissions bring submission. For Jesus blessed me with its future and I protect it with fire for it's the end of history. Sleep now in the fire! There's a right to obey and there's a right to kill. The jury's sleepless we found your weakness and it's right outside our door. Now testify." R.A.T.M
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somethingstew
Gonzolier
Registered: 03/25/07
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Loc: sunnyvale
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: justin340]
#6869476 - 05/03/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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"If we do run into it, it's another hammer we can put on people," Simpson said. -this guy's just the worst kind of scum...
-------------------- Our religion is where our love is. -Thoreau Dry Hump for Jesus!
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Diploid
Cuban



Registered: 01/09/03
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Loc: Rabbit Hole
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Re: Salvia's banned, but now the tough part [Re: motaman]
#6869655 - 05/03/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The measure is called Brett's Law, after Brett Chidester, a 17-year-old Salesianum School senior who killed himself
Meanwhile, other kids die of alcohol poisoning every year, but since that's a drug used by many legislator, it'll never be banned.
This law is just another flavor of the dumass 'my drug is better than your drug' argument.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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