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The essence of fundamentalism
    #5608718 - 05/09/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So last night I was watching that National Geographic special about the Gospel of Judas, and in one part they were talking about the usefulness of apocryphal gospels in Christian understanding. One guy they interviewed was Robert H. Schuler, a televangelist and founder of a megachurch known as the Crystal Cathedral. He said something along the lines of "I don't need anything other than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I mean WOW! What more could you need? What greater message could you have than that? I can't imagine it." I muttered under my breath "That's because you lack imagination." Then I thought about that. A lack of imagination: Isn't that what fundamentalism is all about? Symbols, metaphors, and parables go right over their heads, and they insist that the way they read a passage is the only way to read it. Anyway, I just thought I'd remind everyone to use their imagination every once in a while.


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5608749 - 05/09/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't that what fundamentalism is all about?

At least in part. It's likely more sinsiter than that. :grin:


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5608867 - 05/09/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, and by taking all subjectivity out of the writings they worship, they therefore create for themselves a whole bunch of absolutes. Probably pretty comforting if you lack the stamina to deal with living in an era where there aren't any absolutes anymore.


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5608916 - 05/09/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not a lack of imagination, but a oneway of imagination. A lack of multitude therein.


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5609739 - 05/09/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's also a matter of intelligence I think. Fundamentalists tend to be Extroverted types, and the lack of intuition usually results in confusing myths with historicities.


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5609778 - 05/09/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
So last night I was watching that National Geographic special about the Gospel of Judas, and in one part they were talking about the usefulness of apocryphal gospels in Christian understanding. One guy they interviewed was Robert H. Schuler, a televangelist and founder of a megachurch known as the Crystal Cathedral. He said something along the lines of "I don't need anything other than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I mean WOW! What more could you need? What greater message could you have than that? I can't imagine it." I muttered under my breath "That's because you lack imagination." Then I thought about that. A lack of imagination: Isn't that what fundamentalism is all about? Symbols, metaphors, and parables go right over their heads, and they insist that the way they read a passage is the only way to read it. Anyway, I just thought I'd remind everyone to use their imagination every once in a while.




Well taking these things literally is one way of seeing it. One with imagination could imagine it in that way too, as in other ways.
If he lacks imagination he will only stick to one possible explanation. One can also be tied to a metaphorical explanation of these texts as a result of lack of imagination.
It's all about considering the possibilities.


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Basilides]
    #5609780 - 05/09/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
It's also a matter of intelligence I think. Fundamentalists tend to be Extroverted types, and the lack of intuition usually results in confusing myths with historicities.




While, I think there is truth in what you say, I also think this is an attack. The easiest thing you can say to beat your oponent is: your views are a result of lower intelligence


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5609828 - 05/09/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's not really about someone's ascension, but someone elses own descension. Someone who is about Love and Compassion will always be above, and probably more intelligent, than someone who subverts into judgementalism and hate.


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Re: The essence of fundamentalism [Re: Silversoul]
    #5610226 - 05/09/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We watched that too and we both felt that we came away from TV viewing with something worthwhile for a change. Yes, I used to watch Schuler in his 'Crystal Cathedral' once upon a time. What a vision of Christianity - what a gimmick. I always sensed a teller of myth without any personal transformation going on in the man. Last night's comments juxtaposed his extraverted non-metaphysical, non-transpersonal psychology with Gnostic Christianity. How sterile it seemed.


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