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Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites
    #5608633 - 05/09/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, So I have been finding quite a number of what appear to be either L. rachodes or C. molybdites.... I have compared plenty of pictures but am still unsure.  One thing I notice rather consistent of the mushrooms that I find is that as they began to dry out or age, the gills go from white/cream colour to a strong blue/green.  Kinda turqoise, anyone know if this characteristic is specific to either of the two species??
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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: CureCat]
    #5608683 - 05/09/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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the gills go from white/cream colour to a strong blue/green. Kinda turqoise,




It sounds like Chlorophyllum molybdites to me..for sure.

I don't think any other mushrooms gills turn that color.. :stoned:


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #5608702 - 05/09/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"so many mushrooms and so little time.. "

I know what you mean.... it's overwhelming.  For the first time in my life I have begun having mushroom dream and nightmares!!! 

Thanks for the ID help  :smile:


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: CureCat]
    #5608842 - 05/09/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

At a previous time in mycohistory Chlorophyllum found residence in the genera of Lepiota.
It is important to remember gill color is not always indicative of spore color. This is rather important when hoping to distinguish between poisonous Chlorophyllum molybdites and delectable Lepiota rachodes.

georgem

PS... I also experience the recurrent fungi dreams... In one of these dreams about a month ago I discovered a new species of inedible morel which I named Morchella subaeruginosa.


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: georgeM]
    #5608880 - 05/09/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol.  thats pretty cool.  I don't remember as vividly what my dreams where about. 
As far as spore colour goes, It is difficult to tell, the immature ones with white gills leave a white print, but I suspect it may be due to the mushroom not being reading to drop spores.  So I take a more mature specimen with blue/green gills and the print is similar in colour..... but then I consider it could be that the gills are decomposing and causing residual colouring that may not be spores.
See?  It's confusing!  :undecided:


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: CureCat]
    #5608889 - 05/09/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've had countless mushroom dreams also. All were hunting sorts of dreams. Me finding mystical mushrooms in some strange but beautiful places.

Everything looked too weird to be real though.


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: eris]
    #5608923 - 05/09/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Where the white spored mushrooms collected in the same area as the green spored variety... that is interesting... and confusing. I'm not sure the apparent maturity of the mushroom would effect the spore color if they were dropping naturally. Maybe someone else has noticed something similair.

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I once had a dream about finding mushroom growing in a still molten lava field and i was driving a flat black limousine. pretty weird... that particular dream left me feeling empty upon awaking. That would be a full life


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: georgeM]
    #5608954 - 05/09/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yup yup, they were growing from the same patch, and I have kept tabs, the white ones inevitably turn blue/green at the gills. 

All the dreams i have had are hunting ones as well.  Likely because that's how i spend most of my time when dealing with mushrooms.  I think I was trying to collect specimens and was getting really anxious cause I wanted to clone some of the choice mushrooms and I was with some friends and they were mishandling them and contaminating the sterile portions, and I was getting irritated.  Then they wanted to leave and I was struggling to gather the poor dismembered shrooms.  :frown:


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: CureCat]
    #5609225 - 05/09/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Spores of L. rachodes will present a white print, green spores for C. molybdites.
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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
    #5609441 - 05/09/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5610006 - 05/09/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The usually quik red- orange bruising reaction (can) sometimes take a while) when nicked at the base of stem or especialy when chopped (murdered) and white spore print as mentioned will distinguish Lepiota (Macrolepiota/ Chlorophyllum) rachodes from Chlorophyllum molybdites which has as you described green spores.....other mushrooms can have green gills for various reasons......many reddish bruising Lepiotas are also deadly.....both usually give up good spore prints......just leave some caps gills down all night with a bowl or ? covering them over night and you should get a thick ultra fine powdered spore print unless they are just too dry......C. molybdites also bruise on the stem but brown color first and never reddish......and you definately had Rachodes in a previous thread which you were holding a cluster of in your hand


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: shroominDole]
    #5610121 - 05/09/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

omg i love mushroom hunting dreams i go through phazes where i have them for a week straight


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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: georgeM]
    #5610543 - 05/09/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

georgeM, the current official names put *both* of those species in the genus Chlorophyllum (I got to hunt with Else Vellinga some last year, and she's the authority on these and she's pretty firm on it).

CureCat, another good way to help distinguish between them is that C. molybdites is almost always found in lawns and C. rachodes is almost never found in lawns. The spore print is the best way to distinguish between them.

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Re: Lepiota rachodes vs. Chlorophyllum molybdites [Re: ToxicMan]
    #5610961 - 05/09/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ToxicMan, I found them all in woodchips.

in Responce to the rest, the differences between the two species in this identity case are far too uncertain, circumstantial, I think I will let it go :smile:  I was curious, but despite all of your help, I cannot make an accurate identification by simply eye balling it.  Thanks though!  :smile:


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