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OfflineHimejime
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Pan Sub question
    #5407563 - 03/16/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I know its rare to find Pan Subs on cow manure, but what if the cows were fed only hay? Would this provide a higher chance of Pan Sub growth?


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OfflineMitchnast
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Re: Pan Sub question [Re: Himejime]
    #5407711 - 03/16/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

not really

but then i find them on manure all the time.

manure from the barn tho is dung and straw all mixed together, it gets ejected from the barn by way of conveyor

outside the barn it sits in a massive pinnacle heab beneith the conveyour head.

Pan subbs grow like crazy on those.

when the hill becomes too large the farmer either moves them to a heap or spreads them on feilds.

they grow in those places too.


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Invisiblemjshroomer
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Re: Pan Sub question [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5407990 - 03/16/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey gang, this is my 12,000th post. Wow. had no idea until someone just mentioned it to me.

Mitchnast, you need to remember that only about 50-8 people or so here at this site have actually found them in manure.

Yes you have a field. GGreatOne234 also had a field in Florida.

Lizard King Found them in manure in Georgia.

Joshua found a lawn, no more there,

Angry Shroomhad a beautiful compost heap of them for a few years. Nop more there.

I fouond one cow pie in Kent Washington inthe 1980s with a crop on them. Wrote about that in Close Encounters of the panaeolus Kind.

Found one field on Maui upoff of Kula Highway and once only on Kualoa Ranch in two cow pies and not agaibn there.

Of course I have seen Giant Bales stetched for hundreds of yards with them in the hay. Now Oregon grows more wheat than hay.

Anyway, Yes they can be found on manure of cows but rarely.

Check out the stables and stable shavings at riding stables and at race tracks.

and have a shroomy day.

Oh yes and so I do not forget, several fruitngs in Dec and Jan in Seattle in soil with woodchips in the gardens as seen in one foto at the mj shroom site in the Pan sub picture section of the Species ID.

mj


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OfflineHimejime
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Re: Pan Sub question [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5408053 - 03/16/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Would hay fed cows provide a better chance? or would it matter?

I found a field of cows/bulls feeding on mounds of hay over a barb wire fence and from what I saw the manure looks much different then the cows on the other side of the fence who are feeding off grass. Guess I'll leave the cows alone and search for construction sites...found a few construction sites covered in hay just not sure if they have been there long enough for spores to land and colonize. When it gets a little more sun out here I'll check them out.


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Re: Pan Sub question [Re: Himejime]
    #5408136 - 03/16/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have found hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of P. subbalteatus growing in cow manure in pastures. Usually near feeding areas where copious amounts of hay are on the ground, however the radius of the mushrooms' fruiting range often extends well beyond the parameters of these feeding areas. One common factor I have noticed while seeking out prospective P. sub fields is the tendency for these areas to be on the cusp of what I would consider over grazed, but not to the point where the soil is completely devoid of grass.

georgem

edit* Perhaps one factor is rainfall... in the PNW hay stacks are going to have a higher moisture content than in socal. I live in Kansas and the only organisms aside from occasional Coprinus you are likely to find in our hay stacks are dust mites and rodents. During the rainy seasons the nutrient dense, manure enriched soil, in cow/horse pastures, provides a hospitable environment for P. subbalteatus. I don?t have first hand knowledge of p subs in California but Mitchnast doesn?t present as a fibber or dimwit and I would trust what has to say. With fungi, the scope of knowledge we have accumulated is still in a state of infancy, and to embrace orthodoxy at this point doesn?t seem prudent in my opinion. We need to broaden our aperture rather than tightly focus on historically circumstantial findings. Fungi can exploit many environments and regional habitats may not differ in geographic terms only.


Edited by georgeM (03/16/06 01:23 PM)


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Re: Pan Sub question [Re: georgeM]
    #5410343 - 03/16/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

wow, well said


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Re: Pan Sub question [Re: Himejime]
    #5412028 - 03/17/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes one day i found thousands of Panaeolus subbalteatus growing in a cow field. Mainly they were growing from manure enriched soil, but they were also growing from chunks of cow dung. the field i found them in i had visited at least 100 times throughout the course of several years and during all months of the year, and i never found a single pan subb until that one day. so it was strange.

a couple other times i remember finding singular Pan subbs growing from dung, in different fields.

ive also observed them growing from horse manure in Georgia.


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