agar said:

Because, I believe sometimes, a soul leaving a dieing body, may need a tiny glimmer of light, as a guide towards the wherever that soul must go.

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How did you arrive at such a belief? It would seem to me that, if some soul actually exists that gives ourselves our consciousness and stores our memories and identity, then it would quite more advanced than to need a physical flame from a candle to "guide" it to somewhere it is suspossedly going, that would obviously not be within the physical realm in the first place.

I believe that rubbing my right foot with a guitar pick assists the moon's orbit around the Earth, that sometimes it needs a little help to guide it in doing so.
Nothing like believing in unsubstantiated cause and effect? 


Peace.

agar said:

Make belittling fun, if you wish.
(your time will come, make fun then).

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I have taken life.

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Lighting a candle, is(to me)simply a sign, a soul is about to depart.
It was simply a symbol, in honor of her departure.
As, we all will - ourselves - someday.

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Personal symbolism is one thing, but you were asserting a belief that lighting a candle is sometimes necessary for some soul to "find its way". One is simply within the realm of personal value and meaning, the other a suspossed observation of reality (which obviously has no basis in any substantiation).


Peace.

fireworks_god said:

Questioning of beliefs is not belittlement.

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I believe that rubbing my right foot with a guitar pick assists the moon's orbit around the Earth, that sometimes it needs a little help to guide it in doing so.
Nothing like believing in unsubstantiated cause and effect?

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wrestler_az said:

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I believe that rubbing my right foot with a guitar pick assists the moon's orbit around the Earth, that sometimes it needs a little help to guide it in doing so.
Nothing like believing in unsubstantiated cause and effect?

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i dunno, sounds a little belittling to me.

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Then you are apparently rather untrained in making such assessments. The illustrated point is that one can produce the craziest beliefs, as the one in my example, and it will have as much verification and the same position as the belief in question.

I was not attempting to make his belief look crazy, or to belittle it, merely to clarify the fact that it has just as much verification and basis as the crazy belief.

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if you believe something, it is true, at least to you. even if it is unsubstantiated.

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Which is great when the belief in question takes the form of personal symbolism, something that concerns oneself. The "belief" is something that only pertains to the individual and is not an observation or a model of reality itself.

One can believe that the Sun is really a hologram produced by the technology of the Australian government, and the mental programming responsible for such a belief will be accepted as representing a true aspect of reality. Yet when such a belief is proclaimed to be an observation of reality itself, as the example of the Sun's holographic existance, then, I think you can see, the problem therein.....

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and as far as issues with the after life are concerned, none of us really know.

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Exactly. Why delude ourselves by telling ourselves that "what feels right" is thus the truth on the matter? Belief means to hold it as true.

We can see how such naturally conflicts with the assertion that "none of us really know".


Peace.

agar said:

(agar mumbles to himself & grits teeth to suppress anger)

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You might want to have that checked out. Suppresion of powerful emotions is not exactly a beneficial thing for your emotional well-being, and there is some aspect of your mental programming that is producing a negative emotion in the first place that may need focus and healing.

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It is a personal thing. I assert nothing.

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Because, I believe sometimes, a soul leaving a dieing body, may need a tiny glimmer of light, as a guide towards the wherever that soul must go.

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Peace.

agar said:

It was nothing more than a momentary flash of consternation, that anyone would INFER.......MURDER, as you did.

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I simply asked a question, as you have stated that you have taken life before. Forming a question as to the manner in which you have taken life seems to be a reasonable response to the statement, I'm sure you would agree. I don't understand the necessity of becoming emotionally upset as a result.

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You don't have the common courtesy of even expressing sadness, or sorrow about the death of a another human being. Instead, you pick apart my sorrow & personal insights into that passage - beyond this life.

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I simply asked a question if the belief you expressed, that a soul needs help in passing to another place by means of a physical signal, was of any basis in reality. You stated that it is merely personal, subjective symbolism. I stated that such is perfectly acceptable, as long as it is not made into being a statement of the nature of reality as it can actually be perceived.

Such clarification is necessary in order to know exactly that which is being discussed, in order to effectively exchange ideas. Such is the nature of philosophical/spiritual discourse.

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Then, have the audacity to advise me, (LOL)I should seek help.

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I think the reverse is applicable.

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Based upon what? My attempts to discuss topics that are expressed in this forum, usually in order for discussion of them to ensue?

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It was my mistake, to post about this here.
As, I should know better.

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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.

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Peace.

fireworks_god said:

wrestler_az said:

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I believe that rubbing my right foot with a guitar pick assists the moon's orbit around the Earth, that sometimes it needs a little help to guide it in doing so.
Nothing like believing in unsubstantiated cause and effect?

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i dunno, sounds a little belittling to me.

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Then you are apparently rather untrained in making such assessments. The illustrated point is that one can produce the craziest beliefs, as the one in my example, and it will have as much verification and the same position as the belief in question.

I was not attempting to make his belief look crazy, or to belittle it, merely to clarify the fact that it has just as much verification and basis as the crazy belief.

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if you believe something, it is true, at least to you. even if it is unsubstantiated.

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Which is great when the belief in question takes the form of personal symbolism, something that concerns oneself. The "belief" is something that only pertains to the individual and is not an observation or a model of reality itself.

One can believe that the Sun is really a hologram produced by the technology of the Australian government, and the mental programming responsible for such a belief will be accepted as representing a true aspect of reality. Yet when such a belief is proclaimed to be an observation of reality itself, as the example of the Sun's holographic existance, then, I think you can see, the problem therein.....

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and as far as issues with the after life are concerned, none of us really know.

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Exactly. Why delude ourselves by telling ourselves that "what feels right" is thus the truth on the matter? Belief means to hold it as true.

We can see how such naturally conflicts with the assertion that "none of us really know".


Peace.

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wrestler_az said:

fair enough....

but go easy on the guy....his friend just died

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I understand the circumstances, and let it be noted that not once did I openly express, imply, or allude to his beliefs not having value or signfigant purpose to one's own experience.


Peace.