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I hate car salesmen *update*
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I went looking for a new whip today and felt like I was basically lied to the entire day about the price and what not. I'm looking for a simply reliable Honda accord that's like a 2001-02 for around 10,000-11,000 and I know there out there. I wish I could catch someone wanting to trade it in and offer them the cash and get it done without going through a dealer.

WB


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Edited by WhiteBunny (02/27/06 03:09 PM)

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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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lesson 1 for used cars, people that trade in a car being financed are still making
payments on the car, it's tacked on to the payments of the new one, keep i in mind
because it's a price negotiaing point when you're buying. I picked up a 2001 honda
accord for $10k at a dealer in 2002


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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Yea some are assholes,have you checked autotrader? there pretty good.Next time you go to a dealership...just look around and stuff and when a salesperson comes up and begins a convo just be like...oohhh I just stopped by randomly (like your not really interested) then out of nowhere give him the lowest bid you can afford and He'll be really surprised and probably go for it  :cool:


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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I've contemplated working as a car salesman. Dealerships will hire just about anyone when they're hiring salesmen. they hire more people than they need and just keep the ones that do the best. Even if you're a fucktard you get a brief period of bringing home paychecks.

And I know many of the tricks that car salesmen use, so I'd be starting off well. I'd hate myself inside, but I'd make up for it by rolling my outside across a pile of money.


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I find your lack of faith disturbing

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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Konnrade]
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my uncle has been selling cars for about 7 years, since he retired from the navy,
he's set 3 records for the dealership, longest distance sale (shipped to hawaii),
largest cash sale (the lincoln I boungt mom for her b-day) and largest fleet sale.

he still had to borrow money from me to take care of child support and a down payment on his house


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Konnrade]
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yea they are scum of the earth in my book. do your research before hand and it will help alot! learn the blue book value and ask them to get you a report on the car your looking at from carfax.com. mention every thing thats wrong with the car as negotiating points for a lower price, mention everything no matter how small. they will try to play it off but they know your right. go to all the diffrent places you can stand to and use thier cars for a test drive and go to diffrent dealers and look if they let you take it alone. when u pull up in a dealers car they know you are serious about buying something and will try to compete more. also dont buy anything until youve looked at it for a few days. definitely not on the same day you find it. also when you think youve found the one you want take it to a indipendent garage and have it checked out this may bring you more negotiation room. if the dont give you what you want, walk out, they will call you back.
scum of the earth i tell you. good luck.


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buy the ticket, take the ride

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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: sparks8]
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sparks8 said:
learn the blue book value and ask them to get you a report on the car your looking at from carfax.com.


bluebook is shit, black book is what you want, learn to examine cars because
often times things wont show up on carfax

http://www.blackbookusa.com/


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
my uncle has been selling cars for about 7 years, since he retired from the navy,
he's set 3 records for the dealership, longest distance sale (shipped to hawaii),
largest cash sale (the lincoln I boungt mom for her b-day) and largest fleet sale.

he still had to borrow money from me to take care of child support and a down payment on his house


your a good man prisoner! My parents are too dependable so my aunt and uncle said they would give me 10k cash for a car so I get started out of college with a dependable car so we went looking today


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
sparks8 said:
learn the blue book value and ask them to get you a report on the car your looking at from carfax.com.


bluebook is shit, black book is what you want, learn to examine cars because
often times things wont show up on carfax

http://www.blackbookusa.com/


100% right prisoner blackbook tell what their in it for! Dad use to be a sells manager and the black book is almost always right on the $.

WB


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: sparks8]
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It also helps to know how to deal with them, and what to look out for. Some tips courtesy of my automotive professor:
~If they mention anything about your cash back when you're haggling the price with them, tell them "no, I'll use that how I want to, don't mention it again." Manufacturer cash back is YOUR money from the manufacturer. It has nothing to do with the dealership. Say you saw a car for sale for 20k, and there was a 3k cashback. you tell them you'll pay 17k for it... if you don't keep an eye on them they'll say "sure thing!" and then use your money to lower the price, instead of actually lowering the price.
~Do NOT let them con you into haggling for monthly payment prices. They will try to get you to start haggling for payment amounts instead of the price of the car. This will not affect the price of the car, lower payments is likely to mean that they made your financing last longer, which actually costs you MORE money than a higher payent. Always insist on haggling ONLY the price of the car.
~Read every square inch of the contract before you sign the deal, they may have done something you did not want, and if you sign it it's tough shit for you when you find out what they did, because you consented to it. One major threat is if your financing status is "subject to approval". You may work out the details of a very nice deal with financing, but if it's subject to approval, the financing can be changed on a whim to just about anything by the financing company. They can call you up after you arranged a 200/month payment for x number of years at 0% interest, and tell you that instead you are going to pay them $300 a month for 2/3 of the original duration, and will do so at 3% financing. Watch that shit!

There were more, but those are the ones I remember the best.

Also, try to emasculate your salesman in every civilized way possible. Try and make them feel defeated enough not to pull shit with you. If they think you know what you're doing and that you will not tolerate any scheming, they're less likely to TRY scheming.


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I find your lack of faith disturbing

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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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I try to take care of friends and family, they've done it for me over the years
and I have no qualms about doing for them, really it's my biggest shortcoming


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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since I would be paying cash I haven't been mentioning I would be paying cash hoping they bite on selling me the car a cheaper price than retail hoping to get me in the back-end (financing) and then when I get that quote in paper then buy it outright.

WB


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I agree I have cousins that are 5, 10 14 and older and would like to take car of them or surprise them with something fun when I am able to.

The aunt and uncle offered to pay for insurance for 3-6 month until I had some $ saved..their really good people

WB


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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prisoner I can't find how I get the trade in value of accords types 2000-2003 is it offered free from the site?

WB

P.S- sorry for the multi posts.


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Konnrade]
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Konnrade said:
Manufacturer cash back is YOUR money from the manufacturer. It has nothing to do with the dealership.


read the fine print, all the dealers now have disclaimers thats state "dealer
retains rebate" that money is just incentive to get you in the doors, it's not
real and it has nothing to do with you.


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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WhiteBunny said:
prisoner I can't find how I get the trade in value of accords types 2000-2003 is it offered free from the site?


hit a used car lot, look around in the office and pocket a copy or do like I did and subscribe for $82/year, I had 5 years on all of their publications


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Prisoner#1]
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shit I wish I had $82 bucks to drop but I don't also want to swipe one...those things come out every week I think and some dealer should have a lot, they just wont want to give a customer one.

WB


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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how in the hell do you get a i year old car for only 10 k? Was it banged up or something?

WB


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: WhiteBunny]
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WhiteBunny said:
shit I wish I had $82 bucks to drop but I don't also want to swipe one...those things come out every week I think and some dealer should have a lot, they just wont want to give a customer one.



the other option is dumpster diving, they throw out the old copies, those things pile up fast

WhiteBunny said:
how in the hell do you get a i year old car for only 10 k? Was it banged up or something?


the dealers story "owned by a soldier that was being shipped off, he just got
married, had a kid and traded it on a family car" dude was upside down on his
payments to start with, and like all dealers they 'pay off' your trade in, then
tack that on the loan for the new car so buddy in the service was still paying
for that one and his new one so why should I pay the $20k they were asking
when he's already paying it.

the car was in immaculare condition, had an aftermarket radio, average milage
and window tint, given that the milage was 12k the guy did a fair amount of
driving for someone in the military, lie #1, heavy wear on the brake peddal
suggested it was all city use or racing, an after arket radio suggests that
there could be some introduced wiring problems especilay since there waere
screw holes where it appeared an amp had been poorly mounted in the trunk

again, carfax doent cover the majority


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Re: I hate car salesmen [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Did you have any problems with the car? I wish i could find that deal!

WB


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