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Midget mushies
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quick questions... this is my very first cake and I have about 22 mushies growing out of it but there all really really small and no, Im not talking about primordia or aborts since its been already a couple of days and Ive been tracking their progress. Two of them look like theyll be ready to really soon but they are just soo small! I mean the head is about the size of a dime... My questions are... can spore prints still be made out of this midget mushies? and will it affect in any way later generations? also, why is the reason to harvest all mushies at one time and not as each one matures? :blush:

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Re: Midget mushies [Re: DICK]
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Q: Can spore prints still be made out of this midget mushies?
Yes, It will not affect later mushing grown from the spores, ie make them migets..


Q:why is the reason to harvest all mushies at one time and not as each one matures?
Most people harvest them all within a 24 hour period so they can get them back into the fruiting cycle and get even pinning through out the casing...


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Re: Midget mushies [Re: DICK]
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The size has numerous factors, including growth parameters (rh, temp, FAE) and strain (btw, what strain is it?). Spore prints can be made just fine. Inoculation via spores is not the same as cloning, it is a multispore inoculation, meaning the next generation is not guaranteed to be small just because you got spores from a small mushie. However, since all of these mushies are small, and unless you change your growth parameters, chances are you'll get the same sized fruit next time around.

I'm not exactly sure why it's best to harvest all around the same time. Perhaps in doing so you are ensuring that the mushrooms will grow in flushes, which in turn will increase yield? I really don't know, hopefully someone else can enlighten us both.


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Re: Midget mushies [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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these are Amazonian... and yes, Im aware I have a shitty setup which Im out to improve soon!

Ooh, and one other question... Im planning to case my cakes after my first flush.. Is this a good idea? will it improve my subsequest flushes at least by one? or should I start and stick by casing fresh cakes?

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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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Hi!
You guys both mention environmental factors as producing short fatties. What conditions would be expected to produce this? I'm getting the same thing, with veils opening right next to the cake, they're so short!


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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: sudont]
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I have noticed that casing does help, but your gonna have to spawn your pf cakes with some poo/poostrava then case, The pf cakes really dont have many nutes in them vs. strait WBS or rye berries, you can smell the difference when you start sterelizing..


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Hpoo Burma Grow Log
My Log Pile 2016
Stealth Tote Experiment
My DMT-ejuice TEK
AMU Q&A

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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: liloldme]
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Sudon't, like liloldme said, substrate is probably the most important evironmental parameter that effects mushie size, so if at all possible get some poo/compost, or at least some whole grains (rye>WBS for straight casing).  Next to that would be rh and proper moisture content, since mushie fruitbodies are 90% water.  For cakes, you need to aim for upper 90s rh.  Also, fanning as much as possible never hurts either, 5+ times a day is not too much if you've got high enough rh.

If you plan on staying with cakes for a while, then make some prints and LCs of your current strain, maybe store some myc in vacutainers so that you can always grow them in the future, then try a different strain.  Even though cubes are cubes so far as potency and growth parameters go, there will often be a difference in size, shape, and even type of trip from strain to strain.  I've gotten some decent sized fruits from B+ grown on BRF cakes, and I know several other people have as well, and it's an incredibly popular strain, so it'd be easy to trade for a print of.  Whatever you choose to do, good luck :thumbup:


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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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hm, so Id want to go with poo or compost instead of the 50/50 peat moss tek right? now would any poo/compost/manure that I can get at my local home depot work?

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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: DICK]
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No no, not instead of. You colonize some spawn, be it grain or brf, then once it's fully colonized you mix it in with some pasteurized bulk substrate(poo, compost, straw) and let that sit and colonize for a couple of days. Then once that's fully colonized, you case the bad boy with 50/50+. If you can get phase II compost tailored to mushroom growing, get that shit in a heartbeat, as it will be the best substrate.

However, the most common and cheapest solution is to go find a field with horses, then ask the owner if you can get some horse poo for your garden. 9/10 times they'll happily give it to you for free. If the poo you get is fresh, and still shitty smelling, set it outside on a tarp for a week or two, letting it get rained on then dry out in the sun to get properly aged and leeched. Then you can pasteurize it on the stovetop or in an oven. At which point you will have primo poo ready to be used.


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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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t_r_b, thx for responding! Forgive the noob questions (and semi-hijacking of thread), but I want to be clear about this stuff so I know what I did wrong (if anything).
I'm doing B+ on PF cakes, which I followed with dunk-n-roll. The cakes were made using the "original formula", which I'm now reading may be inadequate. I've seen it suggested that a greater ratio of BRF be used than PF indicates. Do you think that exhausted cakes would result in short fatties? Colonization took a month, with the sides colonized in a couple of weeks, whereas the bottoms didn't colonize because my cakes came out kinda dense. Is it possible much of the nutrition was used up prior to birthing?
Also, I made the mistake of not putting a window in my chamber lid. Could having the light come from the sides create this problem?
And if one were to go with whole grains, would brown rice be suitable? And if you do whole grains, does that mean you would have to do a casing deal, or would they work OK as cakes? Thx!


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Re: Midget Mushies - Cause? [Re: sudont]
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Oh man, I didn't even consider that you didn't have a light source. That'll really have an effect on growing fatties or not, since mushrooms grow towards the lightsource, among other things (i.e. FAE). So that's most likely your problem.

I don't think that compactness of substrates will effect fruitbody size, mainly just the colonization times. Airier substrate just makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize, therefore shorter times. I really don't think that the majority of nutes could be used up before birthing, so don't worry about that.

I have heard of people using brown rice, but no experience with it myself. Go ahead and do a search to see what you can come up with. However, WBS is uber cheap in bulk, 8 bucks for 40 lbs at large chain pet stores. And I've heard of people getting rye berries for 10$/50lb bag at feed stores, so check for that as well.

You can fruit grains without a casing layer, but I wouldn't advise it. Casing is easy man, and totally worth the little extra work.


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