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Re: The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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people my age and the like to make the progessive steps we need to take in order to stop the madness that is happening. Because we do have positive opinions and we still think we can make a change in the world, ignorant or not. It can happen and it WILL.



I certainly hope so, but I fear I'll never see it, so I have to take what I can get.


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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TheDude said:
The best you can strive for is to change yourself and lead by example.


I believe that everyone changing themselves into something that at least doesn't do harm would be a good example. I believe that that example would catch on like wildfire.



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Konnrade said:
They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.



They aren't essential for a number of people.





TheDude said:
The best you can strive for is to change yourself and lead by example.


I believe that everyone changing themselves into something that at least doesn't do harm would be a good example. I believe that that example would catch on like wildfire.



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Konnrade said:
They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.



They aren't essential for a number of people.

As far as society thinking of LSD in the same vein as cocaine, who care? Eventually, they would see that it's not true.

I'm going to sleep. See you all tomorrow probably.







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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
...religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god.


In Genesis 3 the Devil tells Eve that if she will eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, that she will become like God. Interesting parallel between your comment and that.

I think the concept of psychedelics as sacraments is a bit extreme. I see them more as tools I use to take my psyche apart so I can see it working. I believe the spirituality some people associate with them is a misinterpretation, that the enlightenment people experience is in reality nothing more than the sudden ability to think without the encumberment of emotions to tug rational thought off track.

People work to convince themselves that the course of action they most desire is the one that is correct, which is, IMO, the root of all bad decisions. Psychedelics drive a wedge between the user and their emotions, making it easier to judge things solely on their merit.

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Srirachi]
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screenprinter said:
Learyfan said:
...religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god.


In Genesis 3 the Devil tells Eve that if she will eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, that she will become like God. Interesting parallel between your comment and that.

I think the concept of psychedelics as sacraments is a bit extreme. I see them more as tools I use to take my psyche apart so I can see it working. I believe the spirituality some people associate with them is a misinterpretation, that the enlightenment people experience is in reality nothing more than the sudden ability to think without the encumberment of emotions to tug rational thought off track.

People work to convince themselves that the course of action they most desire is the one that is correct, which is, IMO, the root of all bad decisions. Psychedelics drive a wedge between the user and their emotions, making it easier to judge things solely on their merit.


im not sure if this supports what you jsut said or goes agaisnt it. but basically when i take shrooms, emotions are heighted along with things which were relatively easy to see but didnt want to see are thrown at you.
ex. on my first trip i realized how uncomfortable a friend made me feel and how incompatable we were. it was obvious at first when i anaylised the emotions i got, and then analysed the way we interact. so i used bot emotion and rational thinking to figure this out. even though i didnt want to think about it. it was just thrown at me. it was something i knew all along, but i kept trying to tell myself otherswise, mainly because im friends with his brother as well and didnt want to hurt that friendship.

so again, im not sure whether this is contrare to your post or not so take it how you want to... :tongue:


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Noetical]
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dear OMR and noeticbuzz i agree that my saying was a little harsh. let me break it down for everyone real fast because i had no means in trying to down all of human kind or that i am better than anybody at all.

the saying was "nobody wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability"

nobody= i know that nobody can mean everybody but of course there is never anything that will apply to everybody, so i was using this as trying to say the masses.

evolve= hopefully nobody took this literal, as in a scientific way. but you will have to admit that that taking psychedelics for the right reason does make you a little more wiser/self aware. granted most people just want to abuse them because they are 'drugs' and drugs fuck you up and they make you feel weird, and that could be blamed partially on the status they have in society and the lack of information that can openly be found about them. This all ties into the goal of learyfans original post.

meaningless lives of comfortability= the one that seems to get panties in a knot. of course no life is meaningless but the way most people live it makes it pointless (once again i am talking about the masses, this is not a personal attack on any single persons life). If you feel that the meaning of your life is to have a family then that doesn't make your life meaningless, and i strongly agree that a family is a very good dream and a very fulfilling one). Its when a person full of potential and dreams settles for a 9-5 job and will go there whole life working that job or one like it and then retire. Somewhere along the way they have to give up on there dreams because there simply isn't time for it anymore (or a scenario somewhat similar). That makes a life meaningless. How many people do you know that falls into this category? Are you one of them? Hell i might be one of them but i am going through a huge life change to try and not be one of them.

alright i am going to end my typing soon cause i already know that most people will not even read this and the ones who do will most likely not care or get pissed off in someway even though that is not my intent at all.

but here is a new quote for people to disagree with "Most people dint want to open their eyes to what is real, they are happy to work from 9-5, pay the bills on time and give up on their dreams". same meaning different words.

and just for the record i think the shroomery has more people full of potential than just about anywhere.

(i have a sentene that i will insert here once it comes true)


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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This world would be incredibly boring if everyone got along in peace and harmony.

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Noetical]
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Most people I know just take them to see things on walls and watch the trees move.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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The missing ingredient in the psychadelic revolution are drug-users that actualy give a shit about changing the laws and political climate in the U.S.

I would say that a huge majority of drug users are not involved in or knowledgable about how their government works.

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Redstorm]
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Well if they made it not sew hard I'd totally give a care. :flowstone:


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Boom]
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Booooom said:
This world would be incredibly boring if everyone got along in peace and harmony.


Absolutely.

Conflict is the heart of experience, it's the soul of life. Conflict drives us. Conflict forces us TO evolve. Eternal peace and harmony is not for this plane of existence.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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I hate conflict. That's why I'm such a pussy, I avoid it at all costs.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Srirachi]
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screenprinter said:
Learyfan said:
...religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god.


In Genesis 3 the Devil tells Eve that if she will eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, that she will become like God. Interesting parallel between your comment and that.

I think the concept of psychedelics as sacraments is a bit extreme. I see them more as tools I use to take my psyche apart so I can see it working. I believe the spirituality some people associate with them is a misinterpretation, that the enlightenment people experience is in reality nothing more than the sudden ability to think without the encumberment of emotions to tug rational thought off track.

People work to convince themselves that the course of action they most desire is the one that is correct, which is, IMO, the root of all bad decisions. Psychedelics drive a wedge between the user and their emotions, making it easier to judge things solely on their merit.



How is this different from any other spiritual experience?

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
Most people I know just take them to see things on walls and watch the trees move.



98.947% of the people i've met that take drugs do so for those reasons.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
The missing ingredient in the psychadelic revolution are drug-users that actualy give a shit about changing the laws and political climate in the U.S.

I would say that a huge majority of drug users are not involved in or knowledgable about how their government works.


Yes, a very large number really don't take interest in learning about our government because the sum of all their ideas about it can be distilled down to "they are the people that tell me not to take drugs, so they suck and I don't like them and they're always up to no good."

Rarely does anyone like that, once they get to that point, ever move beyond it and actually take part in the government rather than laying on the couch complaining about it.


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