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The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution
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You might know that it's my opinion that legalizing psychedelic drugs would save the world by helping to facilitate a mass shift in consciousness and unite the people. Everyone always says "Well we already have lots of LSD, mushrooms and even RCs floating around. Why hasn't there been a revolution yet? Tell me that."

The answer is that making psychedelic drugs illegal makes it much harder for a spiritual movement based on using psychedelics as a sacrament, to gain any ground. In order for psychedelic drugs to help cause a mass shift in consciousness, people need places to go where they can be open about their use. There needs to be places where people can go to take these sacraments without the threat of being arrested, in order for the culture for flourish. People need to be able to discuss the the uses, spiritual implications, risks and everything else, openly. There needs to be psychedelic churches or meeting centers. The movement also needs pure product without worry of getting something shitty.

My opinion is that, keeping psychedelics illegal takes away the last ingredient needed for a mass shift in consciousness.






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Edited by Learyfan (02/11/06 01:56 AM)

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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Sounds like a church. Ive often thought psychedelic users (and drug users in general) are an oppressed group of people. Similar to early Christians if you like. Today instead of being eaten by lions we are thrown in penitentiaries. Smacks to me of gays today, tomorrow they will have their day.

EDIT: late night spelling

Edited by Gratos (02/11/06 02:01 AM)

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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I have a feeling its going to take a long, long time to undo the damage that has already been done. Even if the government backs down, religion won't. Religion has more control over people than our government ever will....at least I feel that way.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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i really want to jump on the wagon on this one but im way to tired to put my thoughts into words right now. if this is still up tommorow ill say a few things. but for now ill just leave it at, nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: TheDude]
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Gratos said:
Sounds like a church. Ive often thought psychedelic users (and drug users in general) are an oppressed group of people. Similar to early Christians if you like. Today instead of being eaten by lions we are thrown in penitentiaries.


So true.




TheDude said:
I have a feeling its going to take a long, long time to undo the damage that has already been done. Even if the government backs down, religion won't. Religion has more control over people than our government ever will....at least I feel that way.


I'm not saying that it would happen right away, but if psychedelic culture was allowed to flourish, it would eventually become evident to a LOT of people that religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god. In the face of experience, theory just doesn't stand a chance.








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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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I don't know, the same system that everyone is shunning and rebelling against allows the the counter culture to exist in the first place.

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Noetical]
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Exactly. There are revolutions in every society and against every form of government. While I agree with LF that they should lay off and let people do what they want to their own bodies, I also believe that we have it pretty sweet, in the U.S.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: lemon_lw]
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lemon_lw said:
nobody wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.


Precisely! The only way people are going to be motivated to change is through having fun or having something that is euphoric to take them past ordinary states of consciousness. Psychedelic drugs are fun and easy to take, which is right up everyone's alley. Perhaps it would take a generation or more, but if psychedelic culture were allow to flourish, people would become swept away by the winds of love and change their motivation for doing things. The vibe would build and build until the 100th monkey started washing it's sweet potato.









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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: lemon_lw]
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lemon_lw said:
i really want to jump on the wagon on this one but im way to tired to put my thoughts into words right now. if this is still up tommorow ill say a few things. but for now ill just leave it at, nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.


While I see where you're coming from, I think it's sad to see someone dismissing a mass of lives as "meaningless." Just cause you think so - don't make it so.

Good night.


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-Erik Davis

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: blissedout]
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noeticbuzz said:
I don't know, the same system that everyone is shunning and rebelling against allows the the counter culture to exist in the first place.


How is the system allowing the counter culture to exist? It's trying to kill it. It locks up those who create, distribute and take the counter culture's sacraments. It jails the leaders of the counter culture. It demonizes it in the media. How can people really come together until they're allowed to take the sacraments that bring them together, in peace?




blissedout said:
Exactly. There are revolutions in every society and against every form of government. While I agree with LF that they should lay off and let people do what they want to their own bodies, I also believe that we have it pretty sweet, in the U.S.


We do have it pretty sweet in the US compared to many other countries, but that's not the point. We shouldn't settle for anything less than total freedom (as long as you don't hurt anyone). And once the most powerful country in the world collectively starts thinking in a positive direction, every other country will benifit, as well.







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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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The counter culture is reliant on the system from the very basics just like any other person is. You can not reject its influence.

We're all wired into a survival trip now... no more of the speed that fueled the 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling conciousness expansion, without ever giving a thought to the grim meathook realities that were lying in wait for all those peoples who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. but their loss, and failure, is ours too. What Leary took down with him was that the central illusion of a whole lifestyle that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture. The desperate assumption that somebody, or at least some force, is tending the light at the end of the tunnel

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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I think you should change your username to "Leary's_Clone".

The attempt was made by your idol, it failed miserably when college students did too much and lost their sense of
reason and jumped off roofs believing they could fly and stood in front of oncomming trains believing they wouldn't be
harmed.

You've got a marvelous dream, but fortunately or unfortunately, that's all it will ever be.

We should enjoy places like our private homes, the woods, lakes, parks like Nelson's, events like Bonaroo and
Burning Man, other concert and rave venues and just leave it at that.

Dream on, LF, but keep it real.


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
I'm not saying that it would happen right away, but if psychedelic culture was allowed to flourish, it would eventually become evident to a LOT of people that religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god. In the face of experience, theory just doesn't stand a chance.


That is an interesting point you make but I feel it is heavily influenced by your positive outlook on psychedelics. I'm sure plenty of people are content with their god being "out there" and will leave it at that. I can't help but feel people who are insanely devoted to their religions would simply view the psychedelic movement as a group of people who read too much into their chemically induced hallucinations/experiences.

Granted it is profoundly deeper than that, but until a person has had the experience for themselves their opinions will likely remain highly biased and distorted. Most religiously devote people don't seem to question their faith because it is exactly that, an unconditional faith. I believe only those who are at a crossroad, seeking an alternative to a force-fed worldview will give psychedelics a chance to impart their wisdom. Otherwise it is no different than any other religious movement trying to impose its will upon the masses. I've learned you can't force another person to do anything or see anything the way you see it. The best you can strive for is to change yourself and lead by example.


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Re: The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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I am of the opinion that while psychedellics may be potentially very useful, the mind on mushrooms, mescaline, LSD, etc. is not capable of anything that wasn't entirely possible while sober.

They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.

Of course by my estimate mankind in neither state is capable of acheiving anything significantly different from the awful behavior that is so intertwined with our inescapable nature.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: TheDude]
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Most of the population see psychedelics on the same level as cocaine, good luck with getting any support there.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Exactly, and me ranting about how they reveal "I am god" wouldn't help the situation.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: TM]
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noeticbuzz said:
The counter culture is reliant on the system from the very basics just like any other person is. You can not reject its influence.


I'm not saying that we shouldn't have a government (that is until people are ready for that).


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We're all wired into a survival trip now... no more of the speed that fueled the 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling conciousness expansion, without ever giving a thought to the grim meathook realities that were lying in wait for all those peoples who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. but their loss, and failure, is ours too. What Leary took down with him was that the central illusion of a whole lifestyle that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture. The desperate assumption that somebody, or at least some force, is tending the light at the end of the tunnel


So that's HST's opinion of Leary. You think he's right and as much as I love the guy, I think he's wrong about that.







TripMeister said:
I think you should change your username to "Leary's_Clone".


Getting personal, are we? Was it something I said?



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The attempt was made by your idol, it failed miserably when college students did too much and lost their sense of
reason and jumped off roofs believing they could fly and stood in front of oncomming trains believing they wouldn't be
harmed.


If you think that most people who take psychedelic drugs jump off of buildings, it makes me wonder why you're on this site.



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You've got a marvelous dream, but fortunately or unfortunately, that's all it will ever be.


In my lifetime, you're probably right. But who knows what the future will hold.



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We should enjoy places like our private homes, the woods, lakes, parks like Nelson's, events like Bonaroo and
Burning Man, other concert and rave venues and just leave it at that.


Why should we settle for that? And if we are to settle for those places and events, grown adults should be able to openly distribute and take psychedelics there to other grown adults.



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Dream on, LF, but keep it real.


I'm keeping it real. This is my honest opinion. If you don't agree with it, then that's fine but it's still my opinion.







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Re: The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.


I want to.  Many people do.  The option to do so should be legal.

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Psychedelic drugs are fun and easy to take


I highly disagree.  Very few times have I had fun.  My trips have always been dark and depressing and frustrating.  I've learned that there is a reality beyond the one we operate in and I can't be there unless I'm either on a drug or I sit and meditate for years.  When we all could and should be there right now.  The hell with 2012, lets be there now. 


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The attempt was made by your idol, it failed miserably when college students did too much and lost their sense of
reason and jumped off roofs believing they could fly and stood in front of oncomming trains believing they wouldn't be
harmed.


And lessons were learned.  Would most of the people who use psychedelics in a spiritual context ever do this?  Hell no.  The right people know the responsibility of taking such things.  They know the dangers, they know the risks and will make their decisions based on that.

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We should enjoy places like our private homes, the woods, lakes, parks like Nelson's, events like Bonaroo and
Burning Man, other concert and rave venues and just leave it at that.


Complete and utter bullshit.  I'm not ripping on you at all TripMeister because I respect you and your opinions and everyone else's on here as well.  But it's this exact same attitude that is one of the reasons we're where we're at right now.  It maybe your age that allows you to have the opinions you do, but it's up to the next generation of people, people my age and the like to make the progessive steps we need to take in order to stop the madness that is happening.  Because we do have positive opinions and we still think we can make a change in the world, ignorant or not.  It can happen and it WILL.  :smirk:

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They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.


True, but that doens't mean anything in the long run.  Bill Hicks said it best...

"Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

That's it.  That's the bottomline.  It's not about being able to drugs legally, its about true freedom.  As long as they're are laws prohibiting anything I can do to myself.  Than we are being held back from evolving to where we need to be.  Yes, we will get there eventually, but it will take a hell of a lot longer.  And we are running out of time very quickly.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
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First of all, the "personal" thing was just a joke. Don't be over-sensitive.

Secondly, no, I don't think that MOST people who take psychedelics jump off of buildings. But you can't deny that
several did in the 60's.

Third, openly distributing is a legality problem which is the damn government controlling substances, let's not even
go there.

Lastly, you opened a discussion thread and I don't completely disagree, I was just participating.

Chill.


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: lemon_lw]
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nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability

I find this extremely pompous and condescending, just because you ingested some chemicals dosn't make you better then people who choose not to.

Despite what you may think you are not operating on some higher level then those who are content with their lives and their place.

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