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The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution
    #5287650 - 02/10/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You might know that it's my opinion that legalizing psychedelic drugs would save the world by helping to facilitate a mass shift in consciousness and unite the people. Everyone always says "Well we already have lots of LSD, mushrooms and even RCs floating around. Why hasn't there been a revolution yet? Tell me that."

The answer is that making psychedelic drugs illegal makes it much harder for a spiritual movement based on using psychedelics as a sacrament, to gain any ground. In order for psychedelic drugs to help cause a mass shift in consciousness, people need places to go where they can be open about their use. There needs to be places where people can go to take these sacraments without the threat of being arrested, in order for the culture for flourish. People need to be able to discuss the the uses, spiritual implications, risks and everything else, openly. There needs to be psychedelic churches or meeting centers. The movement also needs pure product without worry of getting something shitty.

My opinion is that, keeping psychedelics illegal takes away the last ingredient needed for a mass shift in consciousness.






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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287673 - 02/11/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like a church. Ive often thought psychedelic users (and drug users in general) are an oppressed group of people. Similar to early Christians if you like. Today instead of being eaten by lions we are thrown in penitentiaries. Smacks to me of gays today, tomorrow they will have their day.

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287675 - 02/11/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have a feeling its going to take a long, long time to undo the damage that has already been done. Even if the government backs down, religion won't. Religion has more control over people than our government ever will....at least I feel that way.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287689 - 02/11/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i really want to jump on the wagon on this one but im way to tired to put my thoughts into words right now. if this is still up tommorow ill say a few things. but for now ill just leave it at, nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: TheDude]
    #5287717 - 02/11/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Gratos said:
Sounds like a church. Ive often thought psychedelic users (and drug users in general) are an oppressed group of people. Similar to early Christians if you like. Today instead of being eaten by lions we are thrown in penitentiaries.




So true.




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I have a feeling its going to take a long, long time to undo the damage that has already been done. Even if the government backs down, religion won't. Religion has more control over people than our government ever will....at least I feel that way.




I'm not saying that it would happen right away, but if psychedelic culture was allowed to flourish, it would eventually become evident to a LOT of people that religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god. In the face of experience, theory just doesn't stand a chance.








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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287723 - 02/11/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know, the same system that everyone is shunning and rebelling against allows the the counter culture to exist in the first place.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Noetical]
    #5287732 - 02/11/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly. There are revolutions in every society and against every form of government. While I agree with LF that they should lay off and let people do what they want to their own bodies, I also believe that we have it pretty sweet, in the U.S.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: lemon_lw]
    #5287740 - 02/11/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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nobody wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.




Precisely! The only way people are going to be motivated to change is through having fun or having something that is euphoric to take them past ordinary states of consciousness. Psychedelic drugs are fun and easy to take, which is right up everyone's alley. Perhaps it would take a generation or more, but if psychedelic culture were allow to flourish, people would become swept away by the winds of love and change their motivation for doing things. The vibe would build and build until the 100th monkey started washing it's sweet potato.









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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: lemon_lw]
    #5287746 - 02/11/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i really want to jump on the wagon on this one but im way to tired to put my thoughts into words right now. if this is still up tommorow ill say a few things. but for now ill just leave it at, nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.




While I see where you're coming from, I think it's sad to see someone dismissing a mass of lives as "meaningless." Just cause you think so - don't make it so.

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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: blissedout]
    #5287751 - 02/11/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know, the same system that everyone is shunning and rebelling against allows the the counter culture to exist in the first place.




How is the system allowing the counter culture to exist? It's trying to kill it. It locks up those who create, distribute and take the counter culture's sacraments. It jails the leaders of the counter culture. It demonizes it in the media. How can people really come together until they're allowed to take the sacraments that bring them together, in peace?




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Exactly. There are revolutions in every society and against every form of government. While I agree with LF that they should lay off and let people do what they want to their own bodies, I also believe that we have it pretty sweet, in the U.S.




We do have it pretty sweet in the US compared to many other countries, but that's not the point. We shouldn't settle for anything less than total freedom (as long as you don't hurt anyone). And once the most powerful country in the world collectively starts thinking in a positive direction, every other country will benifit, as well.







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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287765 - 02/11/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The counter culture is reliant on the system from the very basics just like any other person is. You can not reject its influence.

We're all wired into a survival trip now... no more of the speed that fueled the 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling conciousness expansion, without ever giving a thought to the grim meathook realities that were lying in wait for all those peoples who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. but their loss, and failure, is ours too. What Leary took down with him was that the central illusion of a whole lifestyle that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture. The desperate assumption that somebody, or at least some force, is tending the light at the end of the tunnel


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287768 - 02/11/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think you should change your username to "Leary's_Clone".

The attempt was made by your idol, it failed miserably when college students did too much and lost their sense of
reason and jumped off roofs believing they could fly and stood in front of oncomming trains believing they wouldn't be
harmed.

You've got a marvelous dream, but fortunately or unfortunately, that's all it will ever be.

We should enjoy places like our private homes, the woods, lakes, parks like Nelson's, events like Bonaroo and
Burning Man, other concert and rave venues and just leave it at that.

Dream on, LF, but keep it real.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287776 - 02/11/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not saying that it would happen right away, but if psychedelic culture was allowed to flourish, it would eventually become evident to a LOT of people that religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god. In the face of experience, theory just doesn't stand a chance.




That is an interesting point you make but I feel it is heavily influenced by your positive outlook on psychedelics. I'm sure plenty of people are content with their god being "out there" and will leave it at that. I can't help but feel people who are insanely devoted to their religions would simply view the psychedelic movement as a group of people who read too much into their chemically induced hallucinations/experiences.

Granted it is profoundly deeper than that, but until a person has had the experience for themselves their opinions will likely remain highly biased and distorted. Most religiously devote people don't seem to question their faith because it is exactly that, an unconditional faith. I believe only those who are at a crossroad, seeking an alternative to a force-fed worldview will give psychedelics a chance to impart their wisdom. Otherwise it is no different than any other religious movement trying to impose its will upon the masses. I've learned you can't force another person to do anything or see anything the way you see it. The best you can strive for is to change yourself and lead by example.


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Re: The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287786 - 02/11/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I am of the opinion that while psychedellics may be potentially very useful, the mind on mushrooms, mescaline, LSD, etc. is not capable of anything that wasn't entirely possible while sober.

They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.

Of course by my estimate mankind in neither state is capable of acheiving anything significantly different from the awful behavior that is so intertwined with our inescapable nature.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: TheDude]
    #5287790 - 02/11/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Most of the population see psychedelics on the same level as cocaine, good luck with getting any support there.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5287798 - 02/11/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly, and me ranting about how they reveal "I am god" wouldn't help the situation.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: TM]
    #5287807 - 02/11/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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noeticbuzz said:
The counter culture is reliant on the system from the very basics just like any other person is. You can not reject its influence.




I'm not saying that we shouldn't have a government (that is until people are ready for that).


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We're all wired into a survival trip now... no more of the speed that fueled the 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling conciousness expansion, without ever giving a thought to the grim meathook realities that were lying in wait for all those peoples who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit. but their loss, and failure, is ours too. What Leary took down with him was that the central illusion of a whole lifestyle that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture. The desperate assumption that somebody, or at least some force, is tending the light at the end of the tunnel




So that's HST's opinion of Leary. You think he's right and as much as I love the guy, I think he's wrong about that.







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I think you should change your username to "Leary's_Clone".




Getting personal, are we? Was it something I said?



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The attempt was made by your idol, it failed miserably when college students did too much and lost their sense of
reason and jumped off roofs believing they could fly and stood in front of oncomming trains believing they wouldn't be
harmed.




If you think that most people who take psychedelic drugs jump off of buildings, it makes me wonder why you're on this site.



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You've got a marvelous dream, but fortunately or unfortunately, that's all it will ever be.




In my lifetime, you're probably right. But who knows what the future will hold.



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We should enjoy places like our private homes, the woods, lakes, parks like Nelson's, events like Bonaroo and
Burning Man, other concert and rave venues and just leave it at that.




Why should we settle for that? And if we are to settle for those places and events, grown adults should be able to openly distribute and take psychedelics there to other grown adults.



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Dream on, LF, but keep it real.




I'm keeping it real. This is my honest opinion. If you don't agree with it, then that's fine but it's still my opinion.







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Re: The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287817 - 02/11/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability.




I want to.  Many people do.  The option to do so should be legal.

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Psychedelic drugs are fun and easy to take




I highly disagree.  Very few times have I had fun.  My trips have always been dark and depressing and frustrating.  I've learned that there is a reality beyond the one we operate in and I can't be there unless I'm either on a drug or I sit and meditate for years.  When we all could and should be there right now.  The hell with 2012, lets be there now. 


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The attempt was made by your idol, it failed miserably when college students did too much and lost their sense of
reason and jumped off roofs believing they could fly and stood in front of oncomming trains believing they wouldn't be
harmed.




And lessons were learned.  Would most of the people who use psychedelics in a spiritual context ever do this?  Hell no.  The right people know the responsibility of taking such things.  They know the dangers, they know the risks and will make their decisions based on that.

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We should enjoy places like our private homes, the woods, lakes, parks like Nelson's, events like Bonaroo and
Burning Man, other concert and rave venues and just leave it at that.




Complete and utter bullshit.  I'm not ripping on you at all TripMeister because I respect you and your opinions and everyone else's on here as well.  But it's this exact same attitude that is one of the reasons we're where we're at right now.  It maybe your age that allows you to have the opinions you do, but it's up to the next generation of people, people my age and the like to make the progessive steps we need to take in order to stop the madness that is happening.  Because we do have positive opinions and we still think we can make a change in the world, ignorant or not.  It can happen and it WILL.  :smirk:

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They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.




True, but that doens't mean anything in the long run.  Bill Hicks said it best...

"Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

That's it.  That's the bottomline.  It's not about being able to drugs legally, its about true freedom.  As long as they're are laws prohibiting anything I can do to myself.  Than we are being held back from evolving to where we need to be.  Yes, we will get there eventually, but it will take a hell of a lot longer.  And we are running out of time very quickly.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287821 - 02/11/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

First of all, the "personal" thing was just a joke. Don't be over-sensitive.

Secondly, no, I don't think that MOST people who take psychedelics jump off of buildings. But you can't deny that
several did in the 60's.

Third, openly distributing is a legality problem which is the damn government controlling substances, let's not even
go there.

Lastly, you opened a discussion thread and I don't completely disagree, I was just participating.

Chill.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: lemon_lw]
    #5287826 - 02/11/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nobosy wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability

I find this extremely pompous and condescending, just because you ingested some chemicals dosn't make you better then people who choose not to.

Despite what you may think you are not operating on some higher level then those who are content with their lives and their place.


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Re: The missing ingredient in the psychedelic revolution [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5287827 - 02/11/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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people my age and the like to make the progessive steps we need to take in order to stop the madness that is happening. Because we do have positive opinions and we still think we can make a change in the world, ignorant or not. It can happen and it WILL.





I certainly hope so, but I fear I'll never see it, so I have to take what I can get.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5287828 - 02/11/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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TheDude said:
The best you can strive for is to change yourself and lead by example.




I believe that everyone changing themselves into something that at least doesn't do harm would be a good example. I believe that that example would catch on like wildfire.



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They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.





They aren't essential for a number of people.





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TheDude said:
The best you can strive for is to change yourself and lead by example.




I believe that everyone changing themselves into something that at least doesn't do harm would be a good example. I believe that that example would catch on like wildfire.



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They can be a very great thing, yes... but they are far from essential.





They aren't essential for a number of people.

As far as society thinking of LSD in the same vein as cocaine, who care? Eventually, they would see that it's not true.

I'm going to sleep. See you all tomorrow probably.







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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5287890 - 02/11/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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...religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god.




In Genesis 3 the Devil tells Eve that if she will eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, that she will become like God. Interesting parallel between your comment and that.

I think the concept of psychedelics as sacraments is a bit extreme. I see them more as tools I use to take my psyche apart so I can see it working. I believe the spirituality some people associate with them is a misinterpretation, that the enlightenment people experience is in reality nothing more than the sudden ability to think without the encumberment of emotions to tug rational thought off track.

People work to convince themselves that the course of action they most desire is the one that is correct, which is, IMO, the root of all bad decisions. Psychedelics drive a wedge between the user and their emotions, making it easier to judge things solely on their merit.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Srirachi]
    #5287916 - 02/11/06 04:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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...religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god.




In Genesis 3 the Devil tells Eve that if she will eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, that she will become like God. Interesting parallel between your comment and that.

I think the concept of psychedelics as sacraments is a bit extreme. I see them more as tools I use to take my psyche apart so I can see it working. I believe the spirituality some people associate with them is a misinterpretation, that the enlightenment people experience is in reality nothing more than the sudden ability to think without the encumberment of emotions to tug rational thought off track.

People work to convince themselves that the course of action they most desire is the one that is correct, which is, IMO, the root of all bad decisions. Psychedelics drive a wedge between the user and their emotions, making it easier to judge things solely on their merit.




im not sure if this supports what you jsut said or goes agaisnt it. but basically when i take shrooms, emotions are heighted along with things which were relatively easy to see but didnt want to see are thrown at you.
ex. on my first trip i realized how uncomfortable a friend made me feel and how incompatable we were. it was obvious at first when i anaylised the emotions i got, and then analysed the way we interact. so i used bot emotion and rational thinking to figure this out. even though i didnt want to think about it. it was just thrown at me. it was something i knew all along, but i kept trying to tell myself otherswise, mainly because im friends with his brother as well and didnt want to hurt that friendship.

so again, im not sure whether this is contrare to your post or not so take it how you want to... :tongue:


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Noetical]
    #5288106 - 02/11/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

dear OMR and noeticbuzz i agree that my saying was a little harsh. let me break it down for everyone real fast because i had no means in trying to down all of human kind or that i am better than anybody at all.

the saying was "nobody wants to evolve, they are happy with their meaningless lives of comfortability"

nobody= i know that nobody can mean everybody but of course there is never anything that will apply to everybody, so i was using this as trying to say the masses.

evolve= hopefully nobody took this literal, as in a scientific way. but you will have to admit that that taking psychedelics for the right reason does make you a little more wiser/self aware. granted most people just want to abuse them because they are 'drugs' and drugs fuck you up and they make you feel weird, and that could be blamed partially on the status they have in society and the lack of information that can openly be found about them. This all ties into the goal of learyfans original post.

meaningless lives of comfortability= the one that seems to get panties in a knot. of course no life is meaningless but the way most people live it makes it pointless (once again i am talking about the masses, this is not a personal attack on any single persons life). If you feel that the meaning of your life is to have a family then that doesn't make your life meaningless, and i strongly agree that a family is a very good dream and a very fulfilling one). Its when a person full of potential and dreams settles for a 9-5 job and will go there whole life working that job or one like it and then retire. Somewhere along the way they have to give up on there dreams because there simply isn't time for it anymore (or a scenario somewhat similar). That makes a life meaningless. How many people do you know that falls into this category? Are you one of them? Hell i might be one of them but i am going through a huge life change to try and not be one of them.

alright i am going to end my typing soon cause i already know that most people will not even read this and the ones who do will most likely not care or get pissed off in someway even though that is not my intent at all.

but here is a new quote for people to disagree with "Most people dint want to open their eyes to what is real, they are happy to work from 9-5, pay the bills on time and give up on their dreams". same meaning different words.

and just for the record i think the shroomery has more people full of potential than just about anywhere.

(i have a sentene that i will insert here once it comes true)


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5288271 - 02/11/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This world would be incredibly boring if everyone got along in peace and harmony.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Noetical]
    #5288352 - 02/11/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Most people I know just take them to see things on walls and watch the trees move.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Learyfan]
    #5288402 - 02/11/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The missing ingredient in the psychadelic revolution are drug-users that actualy give a shit about changing the laws and political climate in the U.S.

I would say that a huge majority of drug users are not involved in or knowledgable about how their government works.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Redstorm]
    #5288427 - 02/11/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well if they made it not sew hard I'd totally give a care. :flowstone:


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Boom]
    #5288431 - 02/11/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Booooom said:
This world would be incredibly boring if everyone got along in peace and harmony.




Absolutely.

Conflict is the heart of experience, it's the soul of life. Conflict drives us. Conflict forces us TO evolve. Eternal peace and harmony is not for this plane of existence.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5288435 - 02/11/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I hate conflict. That's why I'm such a pussy, I avoid it at all costs.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Srirachi]
    #5288487 - 02/11/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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...religious people go to church to warship god and psychedelic people go to psychedelic church to become god.




In Genesis 3 the Devil tells Eve that if she will eat the fruit from the forbidden tree, that she will become like God. Interesting parallel between your comment and that.

I think the concept of psychedelics as sacraments is a bit extreme. I see them more as tools I use to take my psyche apart so I can see it working. I believe the spirituality some people associate with them is a misinterpretation, that the enlightenment people experience is in reality nothing more than the sudden ability to think without the encumberment of emotions to tug rational thought off track.

People work to convince themselves that the course of action they most desire is the one that is correct, which is, IMO, the root of all bad decisions. Psychedelics drive a wedge between the user and their emotions, making it easier to judge things solely on their merit.




How is this different from any other spiritual experience?


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5288617 - 02/11/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Most people I know just take them to see things on walls and watch the trees move.





98.947% of the people i've met that take drugs do so for those reasons.


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Re: The missing ingredient in psychedelic revolution [Re: Redstorm]
    #5288901 - 02/11/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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The missing ingredient in the psychadelic revolution are drug-users that actualy give a shit about changing the laws and political climate in the U.S.

I would say that a huge majority of drug users are not involved in or knowledgable about how their government works.




Yes, a very large number really don't take interest in learning about our government because the sum of all their ideas about it can be distilled down to "they are the people that tell me not to take drugs, so they suck and I don't like them and they're always up to no good."

Rarely does anyone like that, once they get to that point, ever move beyond it and actually take part in the government rather than laying on the couch complaining about it.


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