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Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October
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Doesn't seem to be quite the exodus of neanderthals the moonbats seem to have wished for:
/www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/11/mil-051110-dod01.htm
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Right on target or slightly above.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: zappaisgod]
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What with stop loss, lowered recruiting goals and lowered recruiting standards what were you expecting?


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: zappaisgod]
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its not News unless a soldier fucks up or dies...

but the MSM can fix this story!



"Bad Economy Forces Poor to Seek Military Service",

or "Military Lowers Standards to Meet Goals".


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: lonestar2004]
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Do we have anything to compare this too? Like past months/years/etc.?


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: lonestar2004]
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Sorry about the link
www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/11/mil-051110-dod01.htm


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: Solutarch]
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Solutarch said:
What with stop loss, lowered recruiting goals and lowered recruiting standards what were you expecting?


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You and your ilk to say this.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Solutarch said:
What with stop loss, lowered recruiting goals and lowered recruiting standards what were you expecting?


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You and your ilk to say this.


My ilk? You must mean rational people who are intelligent enough to recognize that government provided statistics are designed for public consumption, that the numbers are gathered under carefully selected parameters designed to produce results that will bolster in the minds of uncritical thinkers, the perceptions that the government wants them to have.

Let's go back a few months and take a look at this article, dated June 9, 2005. In the article Keith Olbermann states, "According to The New York Times, the Army?s original aim was to get 8,050 new recruits in May. It then scaled that number back, without making that news public, to 6,700. But it only got 5,000. That?s 63 percent of the original goal, 75 percent of the revised goal. Even that doesn?t guarantee that there will be 5,000 new soldiers ready for combat. In 2004, 14 percent, nearly, of all the new recruits dropped out after initial training. And that number jumped to more than 17 percent this year." Then we can look at your link (from Nov 10, 2005) which lists the newer goal at an even lower 4,700.

I did notice that you avoided a comment on how these statistics in your link have been affected by lowered recruitment goals, lowered standards and stop loss, but instead just gave a simple admission that you would expect intelligent people (my ilk) to bring the point up.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Doesn't seem to be quite the exodus of neanderthals the moonbats seem to have wished for:
/www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/11/mil-051110-dod01.htm
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Right on target or slightly above.


Nevertheless, it's high time you joined up. Why are you still here?


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: LucidDream]
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Because I'm 49 years old. They won't take me.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: Solutarch]
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Solutarch said:
What with stop loss, lowered recruiting goals and lowered recruiting standards what were you expecting?


It does kind of make the numbers less meaningful than they would have been in the past.

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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: gregorio]
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The Army planned on increasing size by 30,000 over a period of a couple years. Last year the goal was to meet this increase in size. The goal wasn't met, but the Army is still trying to grow. This is a lot different than meeting normal recruiting goals. Marines, Navy, and Air Force has had no problems getting recruits. November and October the Army did let in a larger amount of low-scoring recruits, but they say this was just during those months that are normally slow for recruiting. The lower scores won't be accepted in later months.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: looner2]
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I hope that is true because one of the reasons that I have always heard being put force as one reason the military was not in favor of a draft was because they only wanted the best and the brightest.

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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: gregorio]
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I think the biggest reason they don't want a draft is the level of commitment of draftees. Volunteers want to be in the military. Draftees do not. Best and brightest? I don't think that was ever possible outside of the officer corps from the academies. It is no mean feat to get accepted at one of the service academies.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: gregorio]
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gregorio said:
I hope that is true because one of the reasons that I have always heard being put force as one reason the military was not in favor of a draft was because they only wanted the best and the brightest.


Like zappa said, it is more about morale. A soldier who wants to be there will be a better soldier. Especially the recruits joining now. They know they will most likely go to war. All the "college money" fellas left over from before 9/11 got out.


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Re: Recruitment and re-enlistment numbers for October [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Because I'm 49 years old. They won't take me.


Oh, they've really softened up on that age thing. All kinds of special dispensations these days. You'd be surprised.

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