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OfflineAlphaWave
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increasing psilosybin
    #495330 - 12/18/01 11:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

a friend told me that psilobin is a mushrooms defence mechanism against predators. i don't belive this to be true because it isn't toxic. he also told me that if you handle a mushroom frequently while it is growing, then the psilosibin will increase. sounds bogus to me. any ring of truth too this?


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: AlphaWave]
    #495402 - 12/19/01 12:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

no


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: AlphaWave]
    #495876 - 12/19/01 01:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

if you handle a shroom a lot while it's growing, it will abort. Are aborts a little more potent than mature fruits, yup. Does this have anything to do with it being handled? Nope, you could have just harvested it when it was small.

Truth is, contrary to what ANYONE will tell you, is that nobody has any idea why shrooms produce psilos. Well, I guess a better way to put that is that EVERYBODY has an idea, but nobody has any reason to think that their idea is any better than anyone elses.


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OfflineAzure
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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: mycofile]
    #495890 - 12/19/01 01:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

When you trip on mushrooms, you're technically being poisoned. Poisons work by changing the chemistry of your body, which inhibit certain functions. They can change the shape of a binding site, for example, which could stop impulses from traveling through nerves.
Just like evolution, noone can say for sure that they know why these mushrooms produce toxins. However, just like evolution, there is a lot of evidence in the living world which point to theories as to why these toxins exist. The main theory is that these organisms produce toxins to deter other organisms from inhibiting their reproduction and survival.

The reason why they're good theories is because the same themes are seen in other kingdoms, such as plantae, animalia-you name it. For example, marijuana contains thc, and this chemical has the highest concentration of glands around the female flower, or where the seeds are formed. Another example is the deadly amanitas-we don't eat them and they're able to sporulate and reproduce.
Other organisms use toxins to capture their prey, but clearly, mushrooms and marijuana have not evolved the means to capture other organisms. There is a species of carnivorous fungi, but it's not a mushroom.


Edited by Azure (12/19/01 01:53 PM)


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: Azure]
    #495953 - 12/19/01 03:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Some theories that I have read mentioned that Secondary metabolites are produced to convert otherwise hamful compounds produced during normal metabolism to new ones that are harmless. Regarless, these are just theories, no one really knows why these compounds are produced. Many secondary metabolites don't have any noticable poisoning effect or positive effect for the organism they just are produced.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: Azure]
    #496588 - 12/20/01 02:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I think these active plants and mushrooms were created with the use of them in mind.

I don't believe the darwin evolution. Where are all of the variations of species inbetween states of evolution? There is none. This is a bogus theory that should not be taught in schools.

I don't know if handling increases pontency but I believe that positive energy does. Same with plants.

Here is a simple test you can try:

Germinate two different seeds of the same species. Treat them with the same care as for water nutrients and light. Yet treat them emotionally different. To one be unkind and mean to it. To the other be kind and show love to it. You will see the emotionally abused one will grow poorly or die. The one you show love will grow more quickly.

Same with mushrooms. Same with a rock but you have no way to communicate with rocks yet.

I dont like the test cause it calls for being mean but... if it proves that plants have feelings to someone.

So be nice to your mushrooms and know they are infact living with feelings.

Be kind to all life for that matter.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: srivatsa]
    #496603 - 12/20/01 02:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

OK


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: Slamgauge]
    #496889 - 12/20/01 01:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

we are nothing but a collection of dust which is a result of a star exploding, we are pompous to think we have any more signifigance than a speck of dust.

actually, we're more water and empty space than we are dust. and we're as significant was we individually think we are, however little or much that may be. universally, the concept of "pompous" doesn't really exist.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: honeyroasted]
    #497210 - 12/20/01 08:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

> Where are all of the variations of species inbetween states
> of evolution?

um... they're all around you! every animal on the planet is i bi-product of evolution. only the more advanced animals are sitting at the end of an evolutionary branch, so to speak. the variations of them (from amoeba to their current state) are other animal species.

i don't really know how it's possible to dispute darwinian evolution. you must agree that there is a lot of variation in any species (just look at humans). you must also agree that genes pass on their various attributes (children have some of the same variations as their parents). and surely you agree that it is possible that one or more of these variations might increase the likelyhood of that animal's survival (a hightened sense of hearing might make improve a predators performance). it is true then, that this animals genes are more likely to be passed on, as are the genes of it's children (the ones that inherit that special variation). this process, over millions of years, pushes the species into changing in a certain direction (very slowly).

this is one of the basic concepts of darwinian evolution anyway, there are other reasons why animals evolve. i don't possibly see how you can dispute any of the above though.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: Japher]
    #497684 - 12/21/01 10:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

We have found Dinosaur bones right. All sorts of animals. There are no clear chains of successive changes in life forms to form a new species. Look at how Australia has such unique life.

True; life adapts. Yes; character traits are passed on through breeding. Does the species turn into a complete new species? No. Species are created.

God's create.

Also what about all of the ancient human civilizations? That predates evolution. In the 1970s scientists from all over the world went to the Gabon Republic of Africa to study a large nuclear reactor that had been in operation for 500,000 years and was constructed 2 billion years ago. In a poor place; the Gabon Republic. This technology surpasses what we now can do at our highest level of technology. There are many other examples too.

According to Darwin human civilzation started around 10,000 years ago..That proves his theory wrong. Many other examples of prehistoric human civilization disprove it also.

Why don't you hear about this? The masses are easier to control when they all believe what you want them to.



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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: srivatsa]
    #497750 - 12/21/01 12:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

lol! bull shit! 500,000 years ago there was a nuclear reactor? So if they needed elect
power then that would mean other artifacts like light fixtures and elect power goodies
would have been found. Funny how these 1970's findings never made it on the news.
(bullshit! caugh! caugh!)

And so Darwin was a little off on the life span of the human race. Its not like they had
carbon5 testing back then. Besides maybe he rounded down a little to keep from losing
his head to the church. If there is a God, evolution would be his hands at work. Man kind
has come a long way in the last 200,000 years.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: srivatsa]
    #497756 - 12/21/01 12:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The following is from page 181 of John Lamarsh's Intro. to NE text (Addison-Wesley Publishing Company - Reading, MA 1983)
[excerpt]
And so it had. French scientists found traces of fission products and TRU waste at various locations within the mine. These observations were puzzling at first, because it is not possible to make a reactor go critical with natural uranium, except under very special circumstances with a graphite or heavy water moderator, neither of which could reasonably be expected to have ever been present in the vicinity of Oklo. The explanation of the phenomenon is to be found in the fact that the half-life of U235, 7.13E8 years, is considerably shorter than the half-life of U238,4.51E9 years. Since the original formation of the earth, more U235 has therefore decayed than U238. This, in turn, means that the enrichment of natural uranium was greater years ago than it is today. Indeed, it is easy to show (see Prob. 2.37) that about 3 billion years ago this enrichment was in the neighborhood of 3 w%, sufficiently high to form a critical assembly with ordinary water, which is known to have been present near Oklo at that time.

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>We have found Dinosaur bones right. All sorts of animals. There are no clear chains of successive changes in life forms to form a new species. Look at how Australia has such unique life.

What are you talking about? Of course Australia has unique life, the continent was isolated from all the others millions of years ago - all life there would follow a different evolutionary path than life on other continents.
Clear chains? Have a look in any good science book - you'll have lots of pics of evolutionary change through species.

> True; life adapts. Yes; character traits are passed on through breeding. Does the species turn into a complete new species? No. Species are created.

A species is defined as being capable of interbreeding. i.e. Homo sapiens can only reproduce with other homo sapiens. Lets take an example.. say there's a big continent infested with a certain species of lizard. Now lets just say that this continent splits in two. Now you have two groups of lizards on two different continents. As they have no way of crossing between the two continents their evolutionary pathways now diverge. One possibility is that millions of years down the line through a process of natural selection we will have two different species of lizard incapable of reproduction with each other - as both groups have been subjected to different environmental factors.




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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: _JJ_]
    #498318 - 12/22/01 01:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

hehe I'm still trying to figure out why this post is hear?

Well put by the way jj...

But what is the first stuff about? I never heard of any thing like that... I suppose it is possible for aliens to have left some reactor waste in africa but even that sounds far fetched. Excuse my pessimism... but I have heard so much bull shit like that. For intstants, finding Noa's arch on top of a mountain or some bull shit. Usually its just an old petrified cabin that some fanatic thinks is the missing link.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: AlphaWave]
    #498690 - 12/22/01 05:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I grow the cubensis since many years. I think that they become more potent if they are grown on pure rye with malt added than on rice and vermiculite. The least potent they are grown on straw. But this is only my subjective opinion. I never tested the psilocybin content of my shrooms.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: srivatsa]
    #499266 - 12/23/01 01:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I stick by what I said.  :smile: 

Yea and sorry to offshoot your thread with this discussion.

I think that besides the best physical growing conditions you also should show a positive attitude to your mushies for increased pontency.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: Beetlebum]
    #500003 - 12/24/01 12:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

>But what is the first stuff about? I never heard of any thing like that... I suppose it is possible for aliens to have left some reactor waste in africa but even that sounds far fetched. Excuse my pessimism... but I have heard so much bull shit like that. For intstants, finding Noa's arch on top of a mountain or some bull shit. Usually its just an old petrified cabin that some fanatic thinks is the missing link.

The first stuff was my rebuttle to srivatsa's claims. Sorry if that wasn't clear - basically it explains that the underground 'reactor' was a natural phenomenon caused by "sufficiently high enrichment of natural uranium to form a critical assembly with ordinary water, which is known to have been present near Oklo at that time". i.e. there was a higher concentration of uranium back then - high enough to go critical with normal water rather than the heavy water needed in today's reactors.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: _JJ_]
    #500051 - 12/24/01 01:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

For every arguement pro evolution, there is an arguement pro god. And visa versa.
I personally spent 9 years in a catholic school, not believe a word of what was fed to me. I would not hesitate for a second to say there is no god, nor was there ever a god.
Oh and a little bit of clerification on what a "species" is, two species can breed with each other. For example a dog and a wolf. They are not in the same species, but can produce offspring. But in the wild they would not mate, only if they are in captivity will they mate, and this is because they are so close in the evolutionary chain.


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: AlphaWave]
    #500066 - 12/24/01 02:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

of course its a defense measure against animals eating them...think how unbelievably frightening it would be to find your self in the middle of a trip and not expecting it and never desiring to be doing something of that nature just feeding yourself...you probably would never eat that kind of mushroom ever again


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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: fuzzysquirelnuts]
    #501714 - 12/26/01 07:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

In regard to the possible increase of psilisobin I did some reading here on the shroomery if I'm not mistaken which reinforced the theory that the mushrooms produced psilisobin
to protect themselves from being eaten.

The claim was that if you ground up some cayeene pepper, added it to water and then lightly misted the mushrooms with it that they would dramaticly increase the psilisobin content within. It said that the pepper was such an irratant to the mushrooms that they would mass produce the psilisobin in an attemp to further protect themselves.

Whether or not there is any merit in this claim I could not tell you. I have yet to try it out but find it to be most interesting
none the less.

Hollywood



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Re: increasing psilosybin [Re: Hollywood]
    #502202 - 12/27/01 09:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The shroomery will be forever haunted by the cayenne pepper method for increasing potency. It is not true whatsoever. The only way to seriously increase potency is by maintainining optimal environmental conditions (temperature, pH, air, ect.) for secondary metabolite production, these differ from optimal growth conditions. Also genetic mutation is key in overproduction of a secondary metabolite.
Secondary metabolites are very strictly controlled withing the organism to prevent overproduction so that the organism can work on other things such as reproduction and maintaining life. Many times the end product of a control loop will inhibit the further production of necessary precursors, which in turn limits the amount of metabolite. The only way to get around this is genetic mutation or maintaining optimal environmental conditions will maximize the precursures before the control loop is turned off.


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