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Offlinenobbik
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lotsa shrooms
    #493365 - 12/17/01 12:34 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i have already posted this in the mushroom cultivation forum. i realize this may not be an advanced q but am looking for all of the help i can get. if you have already read this in the other forum i apologize ....i have fruited a few dozen cakes but never cased. i now have a growroom that measures 15 ft X 10 ft. i m currently making shelves about ever 20" that wrap around the entire room. i have a large amount of jars that are colonizing and am planning on using the straw tek to get larger yields. if anyone can tell me if they foresee any problems that i might run into ahead of time that would be greatly appreciated. also, since i m planning on having so many trays right next to each other. would it be easier for all of them to get contaminated if just one of them did? i was also thinking about experimenting w/ one of the trays and putting twice the amt of grinded up cake in it . would this be over kill, or would i get more shrooms out of that tray. any help would save me time and effort


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #493404 - 12/17/01 01:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I see a problem that you will run into. Actually I see a whole lot of them, but lets start with the first one, stupidity.

You've never cased before. And your going to try to handle about 150 square feet. All based on a question to a message board. Yup, I see a problem.

Problem number two.
Things actually work out. Every month you will have about 1200 pounds of mushrooms to dry before they rot.

Problem number three.
Things actually work out. Every month you will have 100+ pounds of dry mushrooms for sale.

Problem number four.
Things actually work out your new 1.2 million+ dollar a year drug ring was founded on a public forum.

Problem number five.
We see you on dateline.

Do you have any idea what you are trying to get yourself into?


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #493511 - 12/17/01 05:28 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

no , i've never cased before. does that automatically make me stupid? does any of this? if all of the jars i have colonizing do fine then what are the chances of me not being able to case properly? i obviously know how big of an operation this is so it would make sense that i was going to be extremely careful in the steps i am taking. i can't even believe that i have to sit here and waste five minutes writing about how your post wasn't only not helpful , but a waste of your five minutes but here goes.
if i gave you 1200 lbs of wet mushrooms and said hey if you dry these out you can have em, i'm sure you would come up w/ an easy way to do it. i cant believe you even said that that would be a problem. i think 100 lbs of dried is a bit too much but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and leave that number there because you were obviously trying to make it seem like that would be too much. i m positive that getting rid of that number would not be a problem and wouldnt be doing this if it was. i'm sure if you asked half of the people on this forum to take 100 lbs of mushrooms to sell theywould.
and my favorite "problem" of all .. the publicly founded drug forum. you have got to be kidign me, u dont know who i am or where i live and in case you've forgotten everyone on this forum is growing illegaly and has been for i dont even know how long. has anyone ever gotten caught. that was completely ridiculous. i could tell you my full name and you would not be able to find out anything . there are a million people in this county w/ the same name. also, none of this is taking place where i live and no one else will know anything else about it. i asked for technical problems to this situation. if you dont have anything helpful to say then i would appreciate if you tried to be a dad to someone else. but if you do see me on dateline ... at least you can be the one to say .. see i told ya so.
fyi.. mariujuana is found everywhere.. most of it imported but a good part of it grown right here in this country. there are millions of people every day growing lbs and lbs of this stuff. the idea i have for this room is going to be tried and is very feasable. i m looking for people to help me w/ it. any real help would be appreciated.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #493561 - 12/17/01 07:35 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Mycofile, I am new here and haven't even had any posts yet. I just hope everyone on this site isnt as critisizing as you were. I only wish i knew more to help Nobbik out. gl.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #493562 - 12/17/01 07:35 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Mycofile, I am new here and haven't even had any posts yet. I just hope everyone on this site isnt as critisizing as you were. Try saying something positive maybe.I only wish i knew more to help Nobbik out. gl.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: Mrsailboat]
    #493709 - 12/17/01 12:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with mycofile. If you wanna know how to do it right nobbik, buy The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets (Growing Gourmet & Medicinal Mushrooms is supposed to be a good one too) and get reading. But I think that even after reading TMC 100x it is highly unlikely you will do very well with no experience in bulk growing. Have you thought of how to keep the humidty high in a 150 sq. ft. room while keeping up with air exchanges and avoiding rot, mildew and mold on the walls of the room? HEPAs for airborne contaminants? How to manage the temp? Ways to keep fungus gnats and other pests out of the growroom? Myco also brings up a good point about drying them. And yes, 1 contaminated tray could easily infect your whole setup. If I was you, I'd definitely buy a nice sized rubbermaid container or something similar and start experimenting with casing and bulk substrates before you start doing something like what you're talking about. If you don't, you're just setting yourself up for failure. Gotta learn to crawl before you can walk :).

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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #493724 - 12/17/01 01:14 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Just so you know, cross posting is not a good idea.
Please don't do it again.
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before you try to go overboard, try a large terrarium, say 50 gal, and a few bulk teks..
you sound like someone who got a learners permit and now thinks they can fly a plane. take your time.. learn.. if you had actually done a little reading you would allready own TMC and GGMM.. and you would have allready had all your questions answered (at least all you have asked here and now)..
take your time.. don't get ahead of yourself.
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oh, and read what myc. said again carefully.. don't take offense, it's fairly good advice..yes, the numbers are a little higher than you would ever get, but even so, if you were to produce 100 lb, you would have great difficulty drying them without professional (or well designed diy) tools... also, you would most likly be better off with several terrariums than a single room for fruiting..


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #493748 - 12/17/01 01:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

OK, whatever. You think you're going to be a big time drug dealer, whatever. You really think you can handle this? Go ahead.

Problems you will run into.
Maintaining humidity
preventing overhumidification
regulating co2 levels
Proper air circulation and exchange rates
Establishing correct evaporation rates, and compensating for them with your environmental control systems.
Accounting for thermogenisis.
establishing proper air to bed ratios
protecting grow room from moisture and the contamination that comes with it.
protecting the building from the electrical/fire hazards of a large grow room.
Massive outbreaks of contamination that get so bad that you have to move. Seriously, a large op that goes nasty will infect the entire building with contaminant spores for a long time.
drying the fruits, You'll need a room about half the size of this grow room just for drying.
Processing bulk substrate required for such a large set up. Do you have any idea how to do this?
disposing of spent substrate, seriously, you will have dump trucks full of spent substrate, what are you going to do with it? set it by the curb for the garbage man to pick up?
Isolating contaminant outbreaks to prevent them from spreading.
smuggling 100 pounds of shrooms. They take up a whole lot more space than a brick of weed.

I don't care how careful you are, you will fuck it up. Dislike me all you want, but I think I know a little more about this hobby than you do. You really have no idea what you are getting into. Either technically with the processes, or with the business. Even in the remote chance that you actually pulled an op like this off with the little experience you have, you'll fuck something else up and get popped.

You know, when I had a few dozen cakes under my belt years ago, I had dreams of exactly what you are talking about. Boy was I naive. I'm glad some other elder here at that time knocked some sense into my head.

Just start off with a 40-50 gallon rubermaid or two. Use shroomgod's straw tek. Case with coir. You can easily yield a couple pounds a month.............Once you get the hang of it. While you're getting the hang of it, read TMC and GG&MM. Read them again. Read them again. Then plan your large op. Then read them again, and fix all the things in your plan that you fucked up. Then maybe try it. But you are stupid if you try it now, regardless of what you may think of your intelligence.

BTW, all those weed growers/dealers out there are miles away from what you are proposing. As bad as the laws against herb are, they are very lenient compared to what is in store for someone manufacturing hundreds of pounds of a schedule 1 hallucinogen. Many 1st time weed grower's walk. Many 1st time closet shroom cultivators walk. No large scale hallucinogenic drug manufacturers walk. And I don't think the OMC needs that kind of heat. So, read the books, play with the teks, don't cross post, don't ask stupid questions like "I know there are many 600 page books that don't even fully cover this subject, but tell me how to do everything in a few paragraphs", and keep your delusions of grandeur to yourself.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #493772 - 12/17/01 02:36 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Noone mentioned the need for a several thousand dollar lab, even if using PF cakes what the hell would he use spore syringes to do them all up?? lol.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: slither]
    #493948 - 12/17/01 06:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

myco, sorry if i insulted i ws just taken back a bit by how you thought there was no chance that i could do this. i didnt realize that it was going to be that complicated. i have taked to a couple of other people on here that were experienced and they told me to go ahead w/ it and it sounded good. i m going to take all of your advice on making this work. i m not gong to give up. i'll start out a little slower w/ that fifty gallon rubbermaid container and go from there. i'm also goign to order the book. i'll keep everyone posted and when i'm ready maybe you can helpme make this work. right now i have the perfect oppurtunity to do this .. the funds are available to manage this operation and the whereabouts are perfect to do it . no hard feelings myco, just a little anxious.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #493961 - 12/17/01 06:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I guess I was a little harsh myself, but like I said, somebody knocked some sense into me once upon a time too.

BTW as mentioned above, you'll never make it with pf cakes and spore syringes. You will need to use a grain spawn.

I'd recomend agar culture too if your really gonna try to be serious. And that means you need a flow hood too.

Clone to agar, (set some plates aside as stock cultures) agar to grain, grain to more grain, grain to bulk, then case and fruit.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #493977 - 12/17/01 07:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thnx. and i m totally serious about doing this. i'd like to get that book now and am going to go to borders to look around. i guess i m going to take these jars i already have colonizing and just fruit em. so i'm glad you stopped me before things coulda got real bad but i'm gonna hope you're still here when i get going cause there are gonna be a whole boatload of mushies to deal w/ .


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #494028 - 12/17/01 07:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I will have to say that is a prettt ambitious on taking. Since you know a bout cakes try it with them first. If you want to try bulk start off with a tub then work your way up to an entire room. Your Idea would work but to make your life easier.... if you can maintain the temp in the room, put each tray in a tub(or just use the tubs as treys). This will make keeping humidity and such straight with little effort. You may still loose a few but a room full of tubs, hell, if only half make it you will have more than you will EVER know what to do with. If you can't maintain the temp in the room you will need heating pads for each trey or tub.
I highly recommend you do it one or two tubs at a time. One tub with 10 lbs. of substrate can EASILY make a pound.
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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: dioze1]
    #494178 - 12/17/01 10:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i just went out and bought both books. the mushroom cultivator is unbelievable and i havent even read an entire chapter yet. i'll write another post and let everyone know waht jail and cell block # i am in so you can write. thnx for all of the advice .. i will take to it.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #494344 - 12/18/01 01:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

it really is an interestin idea u have, about using a full room for the process, but the fact that u have yet to try any sort of casings should really push u to take your time.
in a few month, after tryin out even a few diff casing teks, theres a chance that u can still put that room to good use. as easily as simply stacking a bunch of large casings and still not overwhelming yourself, nor destroying the house and your crop :)

theres also plenty of interesting teks for drying even large quantities, so u should be ok with that room for a while for the entire process.

basically, good luck dood, and dont forget to take pictures :)


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: aka]
    #494412 - 12/18/01 02:13 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thnx and you can count on pictures. i am reading the book right now but am curious as to what anyone would think would be easier.. lining the walls w/ plastic and having trays on shelves or having trays or tubs that have their own controlled environment instead. no rush just some food for thought.


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: nobbik]
    #494426 - 12/18/01 02:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

funny thing, is that i actually considered the whole idea of sealing the room somehow.

like by either completely lining the walls with plastic, or actually painting them all with a waterproof paint or a sealant of sorts.

however, theres still the issue of power outlets and all your lights, which would also have to be waterproofed somehow.

then there would be a problem with what u can bring in there yourself on a daily basis, which can contaminate the entire room. (to prevent that u'd need a special shower pre-chamber =p ) and ventilation would be far from easy.

if u stick to individual tubs, u'll save time and money on re-decorating first. then u'd avoid the complications of aerating the whole room and just stick to the single chambers.
even if its a bit time consuming to look at 10 small chambers than one huge one, u'll have a well contained system.
and once again, it'll give u the time to learn proper teks for casings of whatever style and will even give u the opportunity to try different teks in the same room and even different strains

keep the ideas coming, just remember to test the water before taking the great plunge


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: aka]
    #494752 - 12/18/01 01:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

nobbik.
I will saty that you are over zealous and not thinking clearly.
someone who only knows the pf tek will be guaranteed to fail at something like this.
* first of all you need agar experience, as welll as experience grading agar isolates.you will never get the even flushes yyou are dreaming about if you dont use agar.
* you have no autoclave, maybe even no pressure cooker, how will you process that much spawn?
* you have no laminar flow hood. how will you keep your cultures pure while transferring grain or agar?
* you have never used a bulk tek? what were you going to do, make several thousand jars and then crumble them all by hand into tubs?
*you dont work in a mushroom farm, how will you prevent yourself from tracking contams all around the room every time you enter? soak yourself in bleach? head to toe?
* do you have the money to set up the automated misting systems and air circulation/filtration system?
*do you have the organized crime connections to move that product?
*do you have 10-20 years to kill when one little detail of your otherwise brilliant plan goes wrong?


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: azurescen]
    #494782 - 12/18/01 01:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

You mean like this ! ?



Nah cant be done - hehe !


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Re: lotsa shrooms [Re: Food]
    #494856 - 12/18/01 03:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

HOLY MOTHER OF CHRIST!!!!!!!!!

how big is that operation at the moment if u dont mind me askin? hehe

it seems like u are well versed in such teks and have the space to carry it out. i'm just curious as to HOW REALLY SERIOUS that set up is =]

can u possibly elaborate with another pic or 2???? purdy please

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