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FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVESTIGATION
    #489268 - 12/12/01 11:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

PF was selling this FBI document for $10.00. It's about the FBI's invistigation of the legalities of the spore retailer business. The site now has it posted for free. Copy/paste: http://www.fanaticus.com/forensic.htm



The FBI seemed to of been mainly concerend as to what stage mycelium becomes illeagle. There conclusions might surprise many here. (as it did me)

For starters, for everyone that thinks mycelium syringies are illeagle you might want to read the FBI's conclusion. Based on there own tests, most cubie mycelum is very much legal! Even though we all know that eating large amounts of the white fungus will make you trip, they didnt detect any drugs in all but the most mature mycelium!


Here is the full report:

JOURNAL OF FORENSIC SCIENCES
American Academy of Forensic Sciences (1948)
Volume 45 - Number 3 - May 2000 - JFSCAS 45 (3)513-754 (2000)

DETECTING PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES OF MUSHROOMS
Susan T Gross, B.A.
Forensic Scientist, Minnesota Forensic Science Laboratory, 1246 University Ave. St. Paul, Minnesota.
This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Minneapolis Field Office.
Received 26 Feb. 1999: and in revised form 12 May 1999: accepted 23 Aug. 1999.

REFERENCE: Gross ST. Detecting psychoactive drugs in the developmental stages of mushrooms. J Forensic Sci 2000;45(3):527-537.

ABSTRACT: The following questions regarding the detection of psychoactive drugs in mushrooms are addressed: At what stage of the mushroom development can the psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin be identified, and what effect does light have on the growth of these mushrooms. To answer these questions. Psilocybe cyanescens Wakefield mushrooms were grown from their spores in a controlled setting. At various times of their development, samples were taken and analyzed for psilocyn and psilocybin. Knowing what stage of development the psychoactive drugs can be identified may be useful to law enforcement personnel and forensic chemists. Methanolic extracts of various samples were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. It was determined that the mycelium knot stage of the mushroom was the earliest stage at which the psychoactive drugs could be detected. It was observed that light affected the time of development and the appearance of these mushrooms.

KEYWORDS: forensic science. psilocyn. psilocybin. psychotropic mushrooms

Law enforcement agencies in Minnesota are beginning to see an increased number of mushroom growing operations. Knowing what stage of development the psychoactive drugs can be identitied may be useful to law enforcement personnel and forensic chemists. This information is important because in the state of Minnesota it is illegal to possess any material, compound, mixture or preparation which contain any quantity of psilocyn and/or psilocybin (I).

The word mushroom is a general term used to describe the relatively large and fleshy fruiting bodies of fungi, particularly all gill fungi. They are fungi that differ from plants in that these lack roots,stems, leaves, flowers, seeds and chlorophyll. Since mushrooms lack chlorophyll, they depend upon their surrounding medium for their nutrients. The vegetative portion of the fungus accumulates a reserve of food from the immediate surroundings in order to develop fruiting bodies (2-3).

Fungi are categorized as follows: kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. Mushrooms containing psychotropic drugs are classified in the kingdom Mycota, the phylum Basidiomycota, the class Hymenomycetes, and the order Agaricales. There are four families of mushrooms, Strophariaceae, Bolbitiaceae, Coprinaceae, and Cortinariaceae, that contain psilocybin, psilocyn, or related alkalojds with an indolic nucleus. The genus and species of Psilocybe mushrooms that were grown were identified as Psilocybe cyanescens. The pleurocystidia sizes noted in the keys describing the Psilocybe cyanescens mushroom varied slightly from the mushrooms grown. This may indicate a variant of this species (communication with Dr. David McLaughlin, Plant Biology Department, University of Minnesota) (2,4,5-8).

The four stages making up the life cycle of a mushroom are the spores, the mycelium, the primordia, and the mature fruit. The spores are the reproductive cells or "seeds" of the fungi (Fig. I - photo of spores under magnification). Germination of the spores takes place when a suitable substrate and correct environmental conditions are present. These spores grow outward seeking nutrients and branch out forming a complex "cob-like" system. This "cob-Iike" system is the vegetative portion of the fungus which is called the mycelium (Fig. 2 - photo of mycelium spreading in PF jar). The mycelium absorbs water and nutrients from the substrate which is used in the production of the fruiting bodies. The ability of a fungus to begin fruiting is affected by genetic competence and various environmental factors including moisture, temperature, light, and aeration. The formation and growth of the fruiting bodies is known as primordia and has been referred to as "mycelium knots" and "pinheads." The "mycelium knot" is referring to the initial fruiting body that is formed when the mycelium clumps together and seems to form a "knot" (Fig. 3 - photo of birthed PF cake and pins). This knot eventually grows into the 'pinhead,' a plump growth, yellow in color and with a brown tip (Fig. 4 - photo of invitro primordia in PF jar). The fruit is considered mature when it is able to disperse spores and begin this life cycle over again (Figs. 5-6 - photos of mature PF race shrooms on cakes) (2,9).


METHODS
The spores used in this experiment were obtained legally through an advertisement in High Times Magazine from Psylocybe Fanaticus (PFTek Seattle, WA). The spores were received in 10 mL syringes in an aqueous solution. The spore solutions were each viewed using a 1250X-magnification microscope.

Directions for preparing the growing media were received with the spores. Supplies used for the growing media were half-pint wide-mouth jars (KerrGroup, Inc. Jackson, TN), horticultural vermiculite (Schultz, St. Louis MO), brown rice powder and distilled water. The canning lids were prepared before the mixture was added to the jars. The rubber sealing edge of the canning lids were turned upwards and four holes were punched symmetrically around the outer edge. A mixture of one fourth cup brown rice powder, one half cup vermiculite and one fourth cup distilled water was prepared for each half pint jar. This mixture was placed into the jars and covered with dry vermiculite. The lids were screwed on tightly and aluminum foil was used to cover the lid to prevent additional water from entering the jars during sterilization.

Since growing media is susceptible to contamination, the top layer of dry vermiculite was used to keep airborne contaminants from the wet substrate and absorb and regulate moisture transpiration and condensation (10). The jars with the growing media mixture were sterilized at 120?C for 20 minutes. The jars were cooled before inoculation. Contamination was detectable through various colors from pastels to black. The growing media that became contaminated was observed but was not analyzed.

Eight jars per week were inoculated with I0 mL of spore solution. This was done for 9 weeks for a total of 72 inoculations. In addition to the eight jars inoculated per week, one jar per week was not inoculated and was used as a control blank. During the first four weeks, all samples were allowed to grow under indirect light. The last five weeks, half of the samples were allowed to grow under indirect light while the other half were kept in the dark. The jars kept in the dark were exposed to light only when samples were taken. Each jar was covered with parafilm after inoculation to keep airborne contaminates from the substrate.

The samples were transferred to terrariums after the pinheads became came too large for the Jars they were growing in. Two different terrariums were used for this experiment. The first one consisted of a styrofoam cooler with a piece of plexiglas inside of it. The second terrarium consisted of a 2-1iter pop bottle with the middle portion cut out. To maintain a high level of humidity, both terrariums were sprayed with distilled water two to four times a day. Fanning the chamber with the lids two to four times a day also kept the terrariums well ventilated.

The growth and colonization was monitored for the samples grown under indirect light. The mycelium was sampled 13 days after inoculation. Samples were also taken from each jar at various stages of growth of the mycelium, primordia and the mature fruit. The growth of the mycelium, primordia and the mature fruit was monitored and compared for the samples grown under indirect light and in the dark simultaneously.


SAMPLE PREPARATION
Samples were allowed to soak in methanol overnight. The methanol was decanted into a shell vial which was then condensed to near dryness ( The extracts were cleaned up with an acid solution for GC/MS analysis. A0.2 N solution of sulfuric acid was used to resuspend and acidify the extract. This solution was washed twice with chloroform to remove the neutral organic compounds. The samples were made basic with sodium bicarbonate and the psychoactive drugs were extracted twice with chloroform. The chloroform was evaporated and the sample was reconstituted with methanol for GC/MS analysis.


THIN-LAYER CHROMATOGRAPHY
TLC was carried out on 5 X 10 cm silica gel plates (Analtech Newar, DE). Psilocyn (Alltech State College, PA) and psilocybin (Alltech State College, PA) standards were spotted on each plate along with the sample extracts. The plates were developed to 6 cm at room temperature in a covered development tank with a 9: I chloroform/methanol solution. A beaker containing 3 mL of ammonium hydroxide was placed in the tank to assist in development. The plate was dried with low heat and visualized with a paradimethylarninobenzaldehyde (p-DMAB) spray reagent. (The p- DMAB reagent consisted of 2 9 of p-DMAB in 50 mL of ethanol and 50 mL of hydrochloric acid.) The relative Rr value of psilocybin is 0.00 and the relative Rr value of psilocyn is 0.85.

The lower limit of detection was determined by serial dilutions of the psilocyn standard and spotting/developing it until the spot associated with the standard was not seen. The lower limit of detection for the TLC method was determined to be approximately 0.03 mg/mL.


GAS CHROMATOGRAPH/MASS SPECTROMETER
The Hewlett Packard gas chromatograph 5890 Series II interfaced with the Hewlett Packard 5970 series mass selective detector (MSD) and the Hewlett Packard GI800A gas chromatograph detector system (GCD) were used for the detection of the analytes. These two instruments are equivalent and samples were run on specific instruments depending upon their availability. An HP-1 12 m column (film thickness 0.33 um, column id 0.2 mm) was used for the gas chromatography (GC). The parameters for the GCD were as follows: injection port 250?C and detector temperature 280?C. Method SCAN70-Low mass 35, high mass 425, initial temperature 70?C, ramp rate 25?C/min and final temperature 300?C hold for 3.0 minutes. The parameters for the MSD were as follows: injection port 265?C and detector temperature 280?C. Method SCN90-Low mass 35, high mass 400, initial temperature 90?C, ramp rate 25?C/min, and final temperature 300?C hold for 4.0 minutes. Sample volume was approximately 3 uL with the split ratio of 30:1.


LOWER LIMIT OF DETECTION
The lower limit of detection for both instruments was determined by serial dilutions of the psilocyn standard and analyzing it until a peak at the correct retention time containing the prominent ions 44, 58, 77, 159, and 204 was not detected. The lower limit of detection was determined to be approximately 0.1 mg/mL for both instruments.


RESULTS AND DISCUSSION
Identifcation of the mushrooms grown in this project was made by examination of the spores, fruiting bodies and the mature mushroom. Spores were examined for their color, shape, and size. The spores were purple to brown in color and elliptical to oblong elliptical in shape. They ranged in size from 6.7-8.2 um by 12.6-15.0 um. The fruiting bodies were examined mainly for color. The mature mushroom was examined for shape, size, color, texture, gill characteristics, and general appearance.

The original spore solutions were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. No psilocyn or psilocybin were detected in any of the spore solutions.

Mycelium growth was observed from 4 to 6 days. Fruiting bodies were observed from 24 to 48 days. The average amount of time for the primordia to appear was 32 days. Samples of mycelium were taken after 13 days of growth, 20 days of growth, and at various other days of growth. A total of 29 samples of the white mycelium growth were analyzed. No psilocyn or psilocybin was detected in any of these 29 samples. Nine of the 29 samples were confirmed by GCIMS, and again no psilocyn was detected.

Samples were analyzed after the first sign of growth of mycelium knots. A total of 22 mycelium knot samples were analyzed by TLC. Samples were considered to be consistent with a standard if their relative Rr value and their color matched the standard also spotted on the plate. Samples were considered to indicate a standard if their relative Rr value matched the standard but the color was not as dark as the standard spotted. Of the 22 mycelium knot samples, 17 were consistent with psilocyn. Of these 17 samples, 8 were also consistent with psilocybin and I indicated there was psilocybin in the sample. Four samples were consistent with the psilocybin standard spotted on the TLC plate, and one of these samples also indicated there was psilocyn in the sample. There was no psychoactive drugs detected in one of the samples.

Samples were analyzed after the first pinheads of the fruiting bodies were observed. A total of 25 samples of the pinheads were analyzed by TLC. All 25 samples were with the psilocyn standard spotted on the TLC plate. Of these 25 samples, 3 were also consistent with the psilocybin standard spotted and 3 indicated there was psilocybin in the sample (Table I).

The 22 mycelium knot samples were also analyzed by GC/MS. In the inlet system of the gas chromatograph, thermal dephosphorylation of psilocybin occurs. As a result of this degredation of psilocybin to psilocyn, one is unable to differentiate the two by GC/MS. With this inability to differentiate psilocyn and psilocybin, it is unknown if the starting material contains psilocyn, psilocybin, or a mixture of both drugs. For this project, only a psilocyn standard was analyzed by GC/MS (Figs. 7-9). Samples were considered to be consistent with psilocyn if their retention time and mass spectral fragmentation pattern matched that of the psilocyn standard. Samples were considered to indicate psilocyn if their retention time was consistent with the psilocyn standard and contained the prominent ions, but were lacking ions in the total fragmentation pattern. Of these 22 mycelium knot samples, 12 were consistent with the psilocyn standard. Seven samples were found to indicate psilocyn, and there were three samples where psilocyn was not detected.

The 25 "pinhead" samples were also analyzed by GC/MS. Of these 25 samples, 19 were consistent with the retention time and mass spectral fragmentation pattern as psilocyn. Three samples were found to indicate psilocyn and psilocyn was not detected in 3 samples (Table 2).

Samples of the mature mushroom were also analyzed. Eleven samples were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. All eleven samples were consistent with the psilocyn standard spotted on the TLC plate. Of these 11 samples, 2 also indicated psilocybin in the sample. All 11 samples analyzed on the GC/MS were consistent with the psilocyn standard (Figs. 10-12).

There were some noticeable differences in the samples grown under indirect light versus the samples grown in the dark. All samples started to show mycelium growth at 4 days. The first signs of fruiting bodies were observed to be from 19 to 25 days in the samples that were grown under indirect light with the average being 21 days. The first signs of fruiting bodies were observed from 23 to 45 days for the samples that were grown in the dark, with the average being 26 days. The samples that were grown under indirect light had primordia which grew faster and larger. They were plump, yellow in color with brown tips. The samples that were grown in the dark had small white primordia that were skinny and long. The coloring was off-white with only a few having dark brown tips. The mushrooms that were grown under indirect light had thick stipes with yellowish to chestnut colored caps. The mushrooms that were grown in the dark had lighter stipes that were much skinnier than the mushrooms grown in the light. The caps of the mushrooms grown in the dark were also lighter in color than the mushrooms grown under indirect light. Psilocyn and/or psilocybin was detected in the mycelium knots, the pinheads and the mature mushrooms of all samples grown either in the dark or the light.


CONCLUSION
The psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin were not detected in the mycelium, the earliest stage of development of the mushroom. These drugs were identified in the mycelium knots, the earliest stages of the fruiting body of the mushroom.

Light affects the growth of the Psilocybe cyanescens mushroom. This affect is apparent in the time of development and the appearance of the mushroom. Light affected the color and size of both the fruiting bodies and the mature mushroom. Light did not affect the presence of psilocyn or psilocybin in the early stages of the primordia or the mature mushrooms, nor did it affect the ability to detect these psychotropic drugs. It appears that the Psilocybe cyanescens mushrooms are not photosynthetic, but are photosensitive.


ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
The author wishes to acknowledge Dr. David McLaughlin, Plant Biology Department, University of Minnesota for his time and assistance in identifying the mushroom, and his explanations about the classifIcations of fungi and the development of the mushroom. This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Minneapolis Office which generously provided the supplies.


REFERENCES
I. Minnesota Statues Chapter 152.02. Schedules of conlrolled substances; Subdivision 2, Schedule 1. The following ilems are listed in Schedule I:(3) Any material, compound, mixture or preparation which contains any quantity of the following hallucinogenic substances, their salts, isomers and salts of isomers, unless specifically excepted, whenever the existence of such salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation: 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine; 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine; 2.5-dimethoxyamphetamine; 4-methoxyamphetamine; 5-methoxy-3, 4-methylenedioxyamphelamine; Bufotenine; Diethyltryptamine; Dimethyltryptamine: 3,4,5-trimethoxyamphetamine; 4-methyl-2.5-dimethoxyamphetamine; 4 Ibogaine; Lysergic acid diethylamide; Marijuana; Mescaline; N-ethyl-3-piperidyl benzilate; N-methyl-3-piperidyl benzilate; Psilocybin; Psilocyn; Tetrahydrocannabinols; 1-(1-(2-thienyl) cyclyohexyl) piperidine; N-ethyl-I-phenyl-cyclohexylamine; 1-(I-phenylcyclohexyl) pyrrolidine.

2. Kaul TN. Introduction to mushroom science. Enfield, New Hampshire: Science Publishers, Inc., 1997.

3. McKnight KH and McKnight VB. A field guide to mushrooms. Boston: Houghton Miffiin Company, 1987.

4. Rumack BH and Salzman E. Mushroom poisoning: diagnosis and treatment. West Palm Beach, Florida: CRC Press, Inc., 1978.

5. Ammirati JF, Traquair JA. and Horgen PA. Poisonous mushrooms of the Northern United Stales and Canada. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 1985.

6. Guzman G. The genus Psilocybe. Nova Hedwigia: Beih, 1983;74:1-439.

7. Guzman G. Supplement to the monograph of the genus Psilocybe. In: Petrini O and Horak E, eds., Taxonomic monographs of Agaricales. Bibliotheca Mycologica 1995;159:91-141.

8. Singer R and Smith AH. Mycological investigations on teonanacatl, the Mexican hallucinogenic mushroom: Part II. A taxonomic monograph of Psilocybe, section Caerulescentes. Mycologia 1958;50:262-303.

9. Starnets P and Chilton JS. The mushroom cultivator. Olympia, Washington: Agarikon Press, 1983.

10. Psylocybe Fanaticus (PFtek), 1996.


PHOTO AND CHART DESCRIPTIONS (figures and table-charts)
There are 6 black and white photos and 8 table charts in the published article. They are not included in this file.
FIG. 1 - microscope photo of spores
FIG. 2 - mycelium invitro
FIG. 3 - birthed PF cake with fungal pins
FIG. 4 - PF jar with invitro primordia
FIG. 5 - PF race shrooms on cake
FIG. 6 - PF shrooms on cake
FIG. 7 - 12 - GC/MS readout charts
Table 1 - TLC chart
Table 2 - GC/MS chart


PF comments
There are several interesting points In the first article, ?Detecting Psychoactive Drugs in the Developmental Stages of Mushrooms?.

1. The article was the result of a full FBI investigation of PF in 1998. What saved PF was this; ?The original spore solutions were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. No psilocyn or psilocybin were detected in any of the spore solutions.? If these drugs would have been detected, PF would certainly be history and the new spore syringe phenom would be over..

2. The article gave PF credit for the source of the spores, ?The spores used in this experiment were obtained legally through an advertisement in High Times Magazine from Psylocybe Fanaticus (PFTek Seattle, WA)?. This is quite amazing because the FBI did not have to give any credit for this research, but they did. Most likely, it was because a lot of money was invested for the research and they achieved valid results. They even spelled Psylocybe Fanaticus correctly incorrect with a Y, and not an I. Also, the FBI performed the PF TEK exactly as written (credit given in the references section and footnotes) and because they followed the PF TEK, even they were able to get a first time success, making their research project and money spent, successful.

3. The paper identified the shroom grown (PF race) as a Psilocybe Cyanescens. Everyone knows that the PF race is Psilocybe Cubensis and not Psilocybe Cyanescens. Why then identify it as a wrong specie? The clue is here, ?The genus and species of Psilocybe mushrooms that were grown were identified as Psilocybe cyanescens. The pleurocystidia sizes noted in the keys describing the Psilocybe cyanescens mushroom varied slightly from the mushrooms grown. This may indicate a variant of this species (communication with Dr. David McLaughlin, Plant Biology Department, University of Minnesota) (2,4,5-8).? For the last few years, PF has taught the concept of ?spore race?. What the scientists did was to ignore what PF said about the identity of the shroom and went to the books and keys to do an objective ID, and what they obviously saw was that the PF race shroom looks more like a Psilocybe Cyanescens than a Psilocybe Cubensis. They refer to it as a ?variant of the species?. This is more vindication of PF?s new concept of spore race as opposed to the common designation - ?strain?, which falls short of describing these various races that do not mate, but stay unique and separate.

4. They found no drugs in the young mycelium. This is very surpising, because after ingestion of ?tea? made from boiling down mycelium engulfed grain, a slight ?psilocybian buzz? can be felt for a brief time. The answer is that the lab equipment could not detect an amount of psilocybin that the human psyche can!


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Chapter two

Potency comparisons of 4 species of "Dutch over the counter" Magic Mushrooms excerpt from THE FORENSIC SCIENCE INTERNATIONAL journal. 113 (2000) 389-395
HALLUCINOGENIC MUSHROOMS ON THE GERMAN MARKET - SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS FOR EXAMINATION AND IDENTIFICATION

"The cultivation or possession of whole Psilocybe mushrooms and its spores are restricted by German law since 1998"

Psilocybin and psilocin measurements (%) for 18 specimens of Psilocybe Cubensis, 9 specimens of Ps. Semilanceata, 6 specimens of Paneaolous cyanescens and 4 specimens of Ps.Tampanensis.


Psilocybe Cubensis Psilocybe Semilanceata

psilocybin psilocin psilocybin psilocin
none .14 .01 .48
none .05 .16 .13
none .10 .25 .08
none .10 .27 .24
none .11 .30 .03
.01 .05 .42 .04
.02 .09 .51 .12
.17 .09 .72 .01
.31 .23 .91 .90
.50 .12
.87 .04
.98 .03
1.07 .01

Panaeolous Cyanescens Psilocybe Tampanensis

Psilocybin Psilocin Psilocybin Psilocin
.02 .56 none .02
.44 .14 .01 .03
.47 .22 .03 .03
.51 .64 .19 .01
.54 .09
1.15 .90


PF comments
Extreme variations in potency of a given collection of magic shrooms has been reported ever scince reports have been done about these shrooms. And similarly, this report also shows the extreme variability of psilocybin content amongst the dried samples. So if one wants potent and satisfying Cubensis magic shrooms, they should be grown for potency. And that is done by harvesting them in their young stage, before sporulation begins. When that is done, even the most different appearing spore races look about the same. When the caps aren?t fully expanded, all of the races look similar. The visual differences emerge when the shrooms mature, but then when they mature, they are only good for spore printing. These are weak in potency and unsatisfying for tripping. So the word of wisdom is, grow them PF style, harvest them when they are young and cool dry them with desiccant. When this is done, they are an entheogen of the highest nature.




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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Jammer]
    #489495 - 12/13/01 04:27 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Why aren't cultures being sold then?
Why sell the document for ten, when you can sell the cultures for MORE?


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    #489514 - 12/13/01 05:01 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Because unfortunately this is the only investigation so far that hasn?t found no psilocybin in the mycelium of psilocybin species. And we all know what there is in the mycelium.


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    #489573 - 12/13/01 08:25 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

NuShroom, I know you doubt each and every word on everything and from everyone, but at least I can give you some relief on the origin of that address that you doubt in.

I did a search in Google on "Minnesota Forensic Science Laboratory, 1246 University Ave. St. Paul, Minnesota."

and there indeed appears to be a Forensic Science Laboratory there:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Minnesota+Forensic+Science+Laboratory%2C+1246+University+Ave.+St.+Paul%2C+Minnesota.&btnG=Google-Suche&lr=



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    #489611 - 12/13/01 10:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Although the journal from which this "originates" exists, they do not publicly publish articles or abstracts on the web (http://www.aafs.org/journal1.htm). I just find it odd that this is a year 2000 paper, yet they reference neither current nor relevant articles. FWIW I would hope that the FBI has a better research department otherwise how the hell would they ever solve a crime? From reading this "article", its either fake or that is one hell of a shitty rag to publish in.


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    #489617 - 12/13/01 10:15 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see how they could get the identity mixed up. cyan spores are much smaller than cubensis.
I found the chromotography part interesting because one of my elves has been doing chromotography and I am in the process of putting his results together for a post in the Adv. Cult forum.


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    #489631 - 12/13/01 10:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

>they do not publicly publish articles or abstracts on the web

Oh, they do, they do.

Follow this link, and you can read the abstract and if you have 25$ to spend, you can download the original article in pdf format.

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    #489663 - 12/13/01 11:36 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

this is getting interesting.........


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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: MicronMagick]
    #489875 - 12/13/01 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The one thing that I think you guys are overlooking is what the moderator of the PF site is claiming. As I understand it he claims that he got this report under The Freedom of Information Act directly from the American Goverment!! So do you guys figure that he just made this up what?


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    #489895 - 12/13/01 03:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Anno]
    #489902 - 12/13/01 04:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I sure do get alot of bluing from cultures that have had a wedge removed from them, and bluing on the wedge of the transfered mycelium.
Maybe some don't have much content, but I would not take that risk!!!!!!!


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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Jammer]
    #489912 - 12/13/01 04:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well this is certainly interesting and very true.
A while back my partner had an in depth discusstion with Stamets abuot this very same subject. Apparently Stamets knows somebody that formerly worked for the DEA agency and he claimed in all their tests psilocybe mycelium did NOT contain Psilocin or Psilocybin. I dont know if he was referring to this scientific study or not. But if a DEA agent is under the impression that mycelium does not contain the active drugs then obviously it does not. BUT..how many law enforcement agencies are aware of this? MOst of them are very ignorant to mycology and all they know is "mushrooms are illegal".

Stamets also said from the research he has read the mycelium will not produce psilocin until the primodoria not stage as well.

I still would not be sending out cultures or mycelium syringes though. How many times have we seen very agressive strains form knots on agar plates and fruit. You certainly would not want a cop finding your cultures and see one fruiting. That is all they need to charge you with cultivation.
Mycelium syringes tend to contaminate way to easily and die off if not used right away. Spore syringes are the safest and most effective method.

I really dont see why PF would make this up. Not even to further his "spore race" theory that obviously he just wont let go. The term "strain" is widely accepted and published throughout the professional mycology society.


Although there are some things rather quirky about it.
For example the spores being identified as ps. cyanescnes.
Give me a break, those 2 species look nothing a like and all the cultivation info out there in books on this species clearly says they need to be grown out on wood. They are a wood loving species and there are no books showing them to be cultivated indoors on rice cakes.
Even the books listed below (where they even spelled Stamets name wrong for TMC, or PF spelled it wrong on purpse) all list the ps. cyanescens as a wood loving species.

This really makes me wonder weather the MN forensic lab really knows what they are doing. None the less, the findings are good news for all mushroom growers involved.

The other part that cracks me up is PF's final comments where he claims:
"The visual differences emerge when the shrooms mature, but then when they mature, they are only good for spore printing. These are weak in potency and unsatisfying for tripping. So the word of wisdom is, grow them PF style, harvest them when they are young and cool dry them with desiccant. When this is done, they are an entheogen of the highest nature"

Well this may be true if your growing on a substrate low in tryptamines like the brown rice ala PF TEK. Although younger specimans will be more potent, simply using a substrate higher in tryptamines increases psilocybin/psilocin production, thus giving you more potent mushrooms.

As stated in this article and other publishings;

Since mushrooms lack chlorophyll, they depend upon their surrounding medium for their nutrients. The vegetative portion of the fungus accumulates a reserve of food from the immediate surroundings in order to develop fruiting bodies (2-3).


The mycelium absorbs water and nutrients from the substrate which is used in the production of the fruiting bodies.


Brown rice is very low in tyrptamines, thus your mushrooms will produce a much lower amount of psilocin/psilocybin. Use a subtrate higher in tryptamines and you'll have more potent mushrooms.

PF states: but then when they mature, they are only good for spore printing. These are weak in potency and unsatisfying for tripping.

That is complete BULLSHIT !!!!
I've been eating mature mushrooms for years and sharing them with many friends and we are all VERY satisfied !!!
A mere gram of a mature mushroom grown on a substrate higher in trypamines is plenty for a good trip.

But then again we've always grown them out on substrates higher in tryptamine then brown rice.
Granted, the PF TEK is an EXCELLENT tek for beginners. I even started out using it. But moving on to better methods and using a better substrate such as birdseeds, rye grain, wheat grain, hay, dung, compost all of these will increase your potency in mushrooms.
Of course when I refer to mature, I dont mean mushrooms that have completly upcurled and are starting to rot.

I'm getting way off track here. Perhaps I should start another thread in cultivation on this potency subject.

Another thing I find interesting is how law endorcement agencies refer to psilocin. They spell it with a Y instead of an I.
I looked in several mycology books and they all spell psilocin like that. I noticed under AZ laws its spelled with a Y also.
Why does the government spell it one way and mycologis spell it another?
Can anyone shed any light on this?





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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #489923 - 12/13/01 04:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe the quantity is to low to register from individual samples they took. Maybe the quantity was too low for testing against their standard.


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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #489968 - 12/13/01 05:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes we all know that the word STRAIN has two completely different meanings, based entirely on the context in which the word is used, Kind of Like DICK.
My name is DICK. WOW, he has a large DICK!!!!
Dick's Dick is very LARGE!!!
La de do da day.
Strain - the descendents of a single isolation in pure culture; an isolate. Also a group of similar isolates; a race.

Clarified:
Race - Gulf coast
Strain- Georgia Gulf coast, Florida Gulf coast,Texas Gulf Coast, Alabama Gulf Coast, Hawks Gulf Coast,
Substrain- individual Dikaryon


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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #490018 - 12/13/01 05:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ryche Hawk said:
"I still would not be sending out cultures or mycelium syringes though. How many times have we seen very agressive strains form knots on agar plates and fruit. You certainly would not want a cop finding your cultures and see one fruiting. That is all they need to charge you with cultivation."


Jammer's thoughts:
If this document is acepted as a legal fact, I fully expect to see cubie mycelium syringes being offered for sell publicly. Selling magic cultures, I believe, isnt likely due to the easy possibility of "knots" forming. But knots are not going to form in a mycleium syringe.

I can easily imagine a new vendor poping up that requires site visitors to read this report, and other legal disclaimers, before being allowed to enter or to place an order.

As far as mycelium syringes being legal, Shroom Wizard was selling them for awhile. I believe that he stoped selling them 'cuz they had a quality controll problem (they simply didnt do anything).

Just wait and see.... Somebody is going to do some serious research on this topic and retain a lawer just prior to "opening shop". (just a prediction) I bet.

BTW has any vendor ever got into legal trouble for selling mycelium?


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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Jammer]
    #490271 - 12/13/01 09:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The funny thing about all this is that some one probably paid good money for this report. I found this report around a year ago for FREE at a .gov site. Some people will buy ANYTHING!
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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: dioze1]
    #490335 - 12/13/01 10:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I understand that many people were paying $25.00 to have it mailed to them.


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Re: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVISTIGATION [Re: Jammer]
    #490543 - 12/14/01 01:30 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This article sounds like a true scientific write-up to me.


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