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ridding terrarium of green
    #459341 - 11/15/01 03:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ok, so i am really having a problem with green mold. basically when i innoculated, i put the needle in REAL deep cuz that's what all the teks said.. perhaps they should mention that you should still do it so that it can colonize from the top down? cuz mine colonized from the bottom up, i think that's the problem. on all of my jars i have a 100% colonized bottom and middle, with just a little space left at the top where green mold managed to move in under the innoculatin holes. this fucker has ripped through my terrarium/incubator, infecting 2/3 of my jars and my casing which i just managed to save from cobweb mold (hmm.. wonder if that new mycelial growth is just green.. heh maybe that's what kicked cobweb's ass). these are all in the same terrarium/incubator which is kept around 90% RH and 82* F. i assume i will need to completely sterilize the whole thing and isolate my few jars which are left.. any tips? fucking green mold.. not a single contam for 2 weeks then bam 75% of everything


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #459535 - 11/15/01 06:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I've never lost a jar during incubation...try using the oven tek when you are innoculating


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: DrAbeLincoln]
    #459595 - 11/15/01 07:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

10% bleach water will work wonders.


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #460193 - 11/16/01 08:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

After each harvest, I take my aquarium outside, put some antibacterial soap and antibatcerial kitchen cleaner in it, and cleanse with the garden hose.

It doesn't really matter how deep you inoculate. Mycelia will grow into areas rich with moisture and nutrients.

And Abe, that's an interesting animation there. Makes no damn sense, hence its effectiveness.


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: Insomnia]
    #460612 - 11/16/01 05:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

"It doesn't really matter how deep you inoculate. Mycelia will grow into areas rich with moisture and nutrients."

sorry but based on my very limited experience i'd have to say you are wrong. for one thing the moisture is spread pretty uniformly throughout my jars, in fact more is condensed at the top than the bottom. and the nutrients are pretty evenly spread through the jar.. if it doesn't matter than how did i get my jars to grow bottom up? they started growing from exactly where i innoculated, the bottom corners.

antibacterial soap sounds good.. 10% bleach would probably be stronger but i have a tendency to damage things when bleach is involved :D


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #460693 - 11/16/01 07:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think its best to innoculate in the middle, the mycelia attempt to grow in all directions simultaneously, so this in theory would be the best bet for rapid colonization.


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    #460735 - 11/16/01 08:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

"It doesn't really matter how deep you inoculate. Mycelia will grow into areas rich with moisture and nutrients."

There's nothing wrong with that statement. I think perhaps you've misunderstood what is being said in that comment. That is merely a statement of fact - that is that if there's nutrients and the mycellium can grow into it, it will.

" if it doesn't matter than how did i get my jars to grow bottom up? they started growing from exactly where i innoculated, the bottom corners. "

I'm not sure what you mean by this, you innoculated in a place and it started growing there.. what is it exactly you are trying to understand here? If you put solution on the bottom, the mycellium had no other place but to head towards the top.



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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #460748 - 11/16/01 08:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

When i inoculated i just stuck the needle all the way in and it went to about the middle of my jars. mine seems to be colonizing around the middle and moving in all directions. So far not one cantam. I really hope none of them get contamanated that would suck. Sorry to here about what happened to you. Try getting some filter disks. I'm using them. I inoculated through one disk then put another disk over that then screwed the lids on. Soon i will take the lids off and rubberband them so there is more air exchange. I'm not haveing a problem so far.


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Re: re: stuff [Re: flaw]
    #460953 - 11/17/01 12:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

dude did you even read my reply? i agreed with him that it will grow into areas rich with moisture and nutrients.. all i was saying is that there wasn't (as far as i could tell) more of one or the other in any particular area of the jars.

as to my second point, we both agree.. ?? he was the one claiming that where i innoculated them from didn't affect how the jars colonized, i was simply saying that AFAIK that is exactly why my jars colonized the way they did.


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Re: re: stuff [Re: flaw]
    #460954 - 11/17/01 12:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

flaw sorry for getting angry i misread his post or something.. i could have SWORN earlier it said something different. eh well whatever i was really stoned..


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Re: re: stuff [Re: moxjet20]
    #461067 - 11/17/01 03:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

huah.. no harm done


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #461098 - 11/17/01 04:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

1000% colinized cakes do not fall victim to contams.
Sterilize, 1 hour under 15 psi. you will be good.


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #461342 - 11/17/01 03:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

well just posting an update.. scrubbed down terrarium with alchohol and antibacterial soap (soap first), i also tried to isolate the mold in the jars. i have made 2 casings out of 5 cakes and left off the top layer to watch and see if greeny would come back (which i fully expected it to) however after all of yesterday and overnight all i'm seein so far is healthy mycelial growth. i plan on putting the casings on today, 1 vermic and 1 50/50+.. if the green actually stays away i'll post more details on how i was able to make the casings out of all contaminated jars.


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: moxjet20]
    #461375 - 11/17/01 04:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Chances of saving a contaminated cake isn't in your favor... occasionally you can cut the chunk out with the contams and save it. I try and keep a close eye out for contams, It isn't that often that I have any problem with contamination. I've never lost a cake to contams while it was still in the jar. Sometimes green mold or cobweb mold will show up on my casing and I've managed to get rid of both by scooping the areas with the molds out before they spread too much using a sterilized spoon and misting the casing with a more potent h2o2 solution afterwards. I also use peroxide with the water in my chamber to help keep contams out. I believe one of the keys to keeping cobweb mold out is good air circulation, correct me if thats wrong. Also, with your jars... are you using vermiculite to filter the air? I think that using the plastic lids with poly-fil stuffed in a hole helps keep contams out a little better being as the substrate you filled the jars with is not coming in contact with the "filter", or at least it shouldn't be. Ever how you go about it, good luck.... and anyone that can correct anything I said that may be wrong, please do so.


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Re: ridding terrarium of green [Re: DarK_SavioR]
    #461383 - 11/17/01 04:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

yes i was using a vermiculite layer in my jars, however my original case of green came from rough handling of the jar which moved some rice under an innoculation hole.. the rest got contaminated because i was stupid and did not quarintine the jar immediately.


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