Not 'the' multi dimensional community and not necesarrily 'this' one either. I'm not proposing this as the only medicine for this community however it could be applied for positive benefits of everyone involved.
I am proposing 'a' way for 'a' community to have something greater then what it currently has.
Spirituality & Philosophy are great for each other. I personally believe Philosophy is what scientists decided to call their spirituality because they realised that in the world of intangibilities, delving through higher ideals and ways we can live our lives better, they decided it just wouldn't be write to call it scientific research. The scientific approach to spirituality is healthy and necessary because in order to understand the spiral one must also understand the linear sequence needed to create the construct. I believe we are here to share our experiences with one another and in order to do this we need to be able to follow linear journeys into one another and connect the dots in a way that makes sense to each other. There is 'a' idea that we all share different languages however the difference in what we are saying is merely an illusion... underneath the ego we are infact speaking the same thing.
I would like to propose a different way we communicate in the mainframe. I feel that our efforts could be more much more productive and beneficial for all. In a forum such as "Spirituality & Philosophy" we must expect virtually every man and his dog to be attracted to this place and be able to post his beliefs, thoughts, ideas and passions. He/she has come to shroomery in the first place because he/she desires something beyond what he/she currently understands.
I think a rule should be made and adhered to that we should not be allowed to enter somebodies thread and tell them they are wrong unless they have specifically mentonied that they are open to skeptisism.
Do you bid on eBay items you don't think are valuable? Why do you respond to topics you have no interest in? Or am I missing something and you look for eBay items you're not interested in to tell the person selling they are wasting their time trying to sell the invaluable item?
I believe the reason we are here is because we want to connect with likeminded people. We end up engaged in these battles with each other because we feel that in order to find support for what we believe in we must be scene in battle and winning. Winning displays that we are right and its a means to feeling proud about our beliefs and thoughts. Nobody wants to feel guilty about their beliefs.
If you don't have anything encouraging to say, why say it at all? Isn't the purpose of communication to actually build something? Do we want the tower of babel to fall once again?
We have a golden opportunity here to go beyond our ignorant brothers of the past who couldn't complete the tower of babel. We don't have to all build the same building, we can branch off and build whatever extensions we like because this digital world is virtually limitless.
I would like to see this forum evolve into something more. I would like to see more topics of diverse nature happening simeltaneously and in each of those topics people are continually expanding upon and making richer. We won't grow very quickly while chopping each other at the knees. Sure, it might help us make boots of steel to protect our legs but is that really what we want?
If full on spiritual people feel they can talk about what they believe in without the need to link back to formula in order to communicate it is a good thing.
If full on science people feel they can talk about new facts and evidence that makes them feel more clued in to the nature of the world, thats good too.
But basically, what I see happening is a very crazy thing indeed. It is as though we have a lecture hall with a couple thousand people in it and there's only 3-5 black boards. 1 person starts writing a formula or an expression on a board and another person comes along and writes a bunch of opposing stuff in the space where the rest of the expression was going to be written. Before long, the focus is lost and the intention gets caught up in a battle of stupidity.
Yes, its stupid to fight. The word battle and stupidity go together and if you battle you are stupid. If you can't walk down the street without trying to make everybody wear the same clothes as you... well, enough said. If you want everybody to be the same as you you might as well say you're against everybody.
I have a lot to share and I can see alot of likeminded people I want to transfer ideas with but I'm not going to do business with a client when there's maniacs jumping on our coffee table telling us the thing we are working on is not valid.
Maybe the battle of righteousness is laced within our stupid primitive genes. We talk about philosophy and spirituality and yet we are so stuck in the same bullshit that we're probably all against. We talk about stupid George Bush and his ignorance and then in our next post we're telling the spiritual believer he's an idiot. Ones a physical projectile that wounds an innocent iraqi child. Ones an emotional attack that hurts an inner child.
Icelander says words can't hurt anybody... but you never know how much weight somebody puts on these words. Sure, you're not responsible for another but someday a little fella might come along who has lost all hope and feels he has something to offer beyond his mediocre everyday existance. He's fighting a battle just to survive and his thoughts are all he has. He's lonely. He just wants some friends to hang out with. He comes to the shroomery. Sure, maybe you say he should be able to handle the tough struggle that you've learnt to deal with and should learn to defend himself... but chances are, if he's talking through the web he's already on the fringe of the world and his defenses could be broken.
By letting likeminded people come together and share themselves while being vulnerable allows for the things needed to take place in order to build strength in our beliefs. Some of us are not so comfortable with the ways of righteous war. There are those among us who read these pages and yet are afraid to speak their truth for fear of ridicule. They are waiting for the war to be over so that they can come out of hiding.
I feel we should be working towards something together. For example, since it has now been clearly realised that we can neither disprove or prove the existance to those seemingly on opposite sides of the fence, it should no longer be a valid argument repeatedly used against somebodies ideas. Perhaps this should be clearly stated in the combined efforts of this forum 'Shroomism' or something like that. I'm not saying you can't talk about your disbelief, I'm saying its pointless projecting it onto another while they are in a state of belief.
I imagine what would happen if we took this direction is this:
- more people would come to this forum or more people who are here would begin sharing themselves
- the depth of the conversation would go further then we ever imagined
- instead of bickering day in day out, perhaps at the end of every year, we would have a big convention and release the combined efforts of all the different types of groups and beliefs and philosophies that we have been working on and sharing together.
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Yesterday, the world was flat. Today, the world is a round ball. Tomorrow? The world will not be defined so easily with words...
Edited by iambobby (08/22/05 01:03 AM)
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This place would fill with crap in no time.
Or maybe you should start your own forums.
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