Cam says:
sex is like the ultimate conformity
Greg says:
true, there's no conforming to the human race like getting your leg over
Greg says:
but who said conformity was necessarily a bad thing
Greg says:
if something ain't broke, don't fix it
Cam says:
you don't think society is broke?
Greg says:
not entirely, no
Greg says:
basic human morality still exists
Cam says:
I guess it depends
Cam says:
if you choose to define society by its elected leaders, then basic human morality takes a back seat
Cam says:
just look at the iraq war
Greg says:
that's not a very accurate way of defining a society
Greg says:
people rise to the top in politics not just by popularity, but by knowing the right people and by being in the right place at the right time
Cam says:
why shouldn't i be able to judge any given society by its leaders? it's the people who elect the corrupt bastards into power in the first place
Cam says:
they make the laws, they tell people how to live and behave
Cam says:
they are society, as I see it
Greg says:
because there is no perfect political system, and people will be elected, even if they do not accurately represent the majority
Cam says:
take tony blair for example
Cam says:
he's had two terms now?
Greg says:
i'm not sure, i think it was two generals
Cam says:
irrespective of whether or not the political system is perfect, you can't say that leaders are not an accurate way of judging a society
Cam says:
they decide who is in power and who ultimately controls them and their stupid lives
Greg says:
we can't vote
Greg says:
a lot of adults choose not to vote
Greg says:
and of those that do vote, the labour majority isn't huge
Cam says:
ok, first off
Cam says:
people who are above age and don't choose to vote should be considered as incompetent, apathetic and therefore not a part of society
Cam says:
as for those who are under age, they don't represent our current society
Cam says:
maybe they'll represent the next one
Cam says:
and since there hasn't been a revolution despite people disagreeing with labour just yet, I'd say that most people don't care if they are pushed around
Cam says:
I'm getting tired of this shit... people are such fucking sheep
Cam says:
always doing what they're brought up to do or what society tells them that they should be doing
Greg says:
what would the alternative be?
Cam says:
i spit on society and it's population of half-measures
Cam says:
the alternative would be non-comformity
Cam says:
thinking for yourself and actively questioning authority
Greg says:
aren't we doing that right now?
Cam says:
of course, I'm talking about the broad picture
Cam says:
let's take examples from our school
Cam says:
say, sophie cox
Cam says:
what do you think that she thinks about?
Greg says:
i dunno... neighbors?
Greg says:
her bf?
Greg says:
her future?
Cam says:
all they think about is getting rat-arsed down cinders and pulling guys while they're still young and able, then maybe going to university, fucking around with more guys, getting a job, marriage, retirement and ultimately dying happy
Cam says:
it's all so fucking clear-cut, tears me apart to think about it
Cam says:
and the worst thing is, that I can see myself going down that same path
Greg says:
but why do you see this path as being so awful
Cam says:
it's like we're clockwork toys
Cam says:
can't you see that?
Greg says:
we have free will, and with that free will, we choose to conform
Cam says:
you have no choice but to conform, otherwise you get institutionalised
Cam says:
it's all too depressing
Greg says:
only if you're a danger to society
Greg says:
you could live alone in the woods if you wanted
Greg says:
and read herman hesse after a hard day's fishing
Cam says:
fuck that
Greg says:
what would you ultimately want out of life?
Cam says:
to be honest, i really don't care anymore
Cam says:
everyone acts the same, everyone dies the same
Cam says:
this is really depressing me
Greg says:
see, i think life is generally good with some crap bits
Greg says:
i think jack will want to join in this convo
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