Redstorm said:

I don't see how you can stand up for him.

He has lied in the face of truth sooooo many times.

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KingOftheThing said:

same for the righties on this board, pontificating about defending this country, blah blah blah..however they dont have the balls to defend the country themselves.

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kaiowas said:

"I have no idea what age or nationality JesusChrist is. "


hehehehehe oh you don't huh?

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BTW, I am one of the few here to have joined and served during the Viet Nam era, so I will say whatever the fuck I want to.

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No, it is just a fact to attempt to quell the "You're anti-American for believing in Free Speech," rhetoric that permeates this forum.

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And the notorious "You don't support or believe in your counrty," accusations (must have learned this heinous tactic from Bill) which frequently comes from people who have done much less to support their country.

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Swami said:

No, it is just a fact to attempt to quell the "You're anti-American for believing in Free Speech," rhetoric that permeates this forum.

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And the notorious "You don't support or believe in your counrty," accusations (must have learned this heinous tactic from Bill) which frequently comes from people who have done much less to support their country.

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Let us examine this particular nonsense.  Swami seems to believe that no one who endlessly harps about the hideousness of the USA could ever be called into question.  Just as an easy example, I question Ward Churchill's patriotism.  As far as I know all he has done is speak, which is his right.  I nonetheless think he is a complete unpatriotic asshole with shit for brains and phony credentials who wouldn't be able to make a living outside of the asshat worshipping culture of academe.  I have the right to say that.  I also question Richard "shoe bomber" Reid's patriotism.  So do our courts.  Now his fellow prisoners can.  Personally.  Questioning these people's patriotism is clearly appropriate.  Although the poor, addled Sheehan woman doesn't reach these levels at all, she has nonetheless put herself out there for whatever fileting anyone wishes to inflict.  Tough shit Cindy.  Get help.

There are legitimate criticisms of the government.  There are also legitimate criticisms of the critics.  There is an endless tree of legitimacy here.  Tell me again who is trying to squelch dissent?  Surely not the Swami

Also to you naysayers out their, please give up your pot and stop supporting terrorism! 

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Thirty-five years ago this summer, the USA was exploding in protest over the Vietnam War. And today, the radical left wants to revisit those awful days by replicating the anti-war movement over the Iraq conflict. The question is - will they succeed?
As you know, the radicals have latched on to Cindy Sheehan, who lost her son Casey in Iraq. Mrs. Sheehan strikes me as a decent woman who has no clue with whom she is currently swimming. Sensing a chance to humiliate President Bush, the Michael Moore crowd has rallied around Mrs. Sheehan, who has become the anti-Iraq war poster person. But it's sad to watch this woman being used by organizations that not only oppose the Iraq war, but believe the USA is a fundamentally flawed nation. Cindy Sheehan's byline now leads the Michael Moore website. Is she really that bitter?

It is one thing to object to a war; it is quite another to throw in with people who are consistently hateful towards traditional America. Cindy Sheehan now calls President Bush a murderer, and the USA an "imperialistic" country. But the woman has paid a price for her political leanings. Her husband filed for divorce last week, and some reports cited his wife's radicalism as one of the reasons.

I don't believe Cindy and her radical left pals will succeed in dividing the country this time around. It is true that most Americans now believe the Bush administration is fumbling the war, and that may well be true. Certainly, the continued violence in Iraq is troubling, and it is an open question as to whether the Iraqi people themselves will fight hard enough to win freedom, and that is the crux of this matter.

The communists prevailed in Vietnam because they had a stronger will to win than the U.S.-supported South Vietnamese. At great sacrifice, America gave the South a chance to be free. They did not step up. The result was decades of totalitarianism that continues to this day, and millions of South Vietnamese and Cambodians murdered by the communists. Funny how the radicals never mention that, or the decades of atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein.

President Bush has made two major mistakes in Iraq. The first is keeping Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld, understandably, is simply exhausted. He needs to be replaced by a battle-hardened commander who will bring a fresh perspective to the conflict.

Second, Mr. Bush must define the danger he sees if the USA "cuts and runs." The WMD controversy and poor post-Saddam planning does matter now. Terrorists want to kill us, and a victory in Iraq will embolden them and deliver huge momentum to their jihad. Why isn't the President on TV everyday saying this? If America cuts and runs in Iraq, the place will devolve into another terror state where Al Qaeda will have free reign.

No one in their right mind would want Michael Moore or George Soros or Cindy Sheehan calling shots in the war on terror. If Mrs. Sheehan had any perspective at all, she would also protest outside the homes of Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Tony Blair, all people who understand that cutting and running will lead to disaster for the USA. But in my opinion Mrs. Sheehan isn't interested in the big picture, she just wants to embarrass Mr. Bush.

The question is, will Americans buy what Cindy Sheehan is selling, or, instead, focus on what is really going on here? Unlike Vietnam, we are now fighting a war against people who want to come to our country and destroy it. These people are the driving force behind the "insurrection" in Iraq. They have chosen this battlefield because America made a mistake by underestimating the difficulty of imposing democracy in a culture that does not revere it.

Once again, that mistake is history. What President Bush must do now is clarify the stakes in Iraq and rally Americans to support the global war on terror. If Mr. Bush does not do that, America will be in big trouble.

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Swami said:

If you wannt bitch about your country, FINE.

Bitching about O'Reilly is bitching about my country? Absolutely amazing. Now I see how we got duped into war. Again!

BTW, I am one of the few here to have joined and served during the Viet Nam era, so I will say whatever the fuck I want to.

Being for one's counrty does not mean being a puppet of large corporations nor closing one's eyes and swallowing swill.

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