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U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006
    #4494673 - 08/04/05 01:27 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

Wednesday, July 27, 2005







(07-27) 15:39 PDT BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) --


Iraq's prime minister said Wednesday he wants U.S. troops "on their way out" as soon as his government can protect its new democracy. The top American general in the country said he hopes to begin significant withdrawal by next spring.


At the same time, in an unannounced visit, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Iraqi security forces should take on more tasks now performed by U.S. troops.


American military commanders have repeatedly expressed hopes in recent months that they could begin major troop reductions next year, depending on the intensity of the insurgency. Even so, Wednesday's remarks seemed to signal a new willingness to discuss specific ways American troops might exit an increasingly unpopular war in which nearly 2,000 have died.


There was a subdued reaction in Congress. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said, "I remain concerned about establishing timetables and raising expectations. However, I have not seen the data that the general had before him."


Sen. John McCain, of Arizona, the second-ranking Republican on the committee, said he agreed with Gen. George Casey, the most senior commander of coalition forces in Iraq, and Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari that withdrawal will be possible only when conditions permit.


"I'm sure that the security situation at the time will dictate what they need to do," McCain said.


Al-Jaafari, speaking at a joint news conference with Rumsfeld, said, "The great desire of the Iraqi people is to see the coalition forces on their way out."


However, comments by Casey drew the most notice. He told reporters that a "fairly substantial" withdrawal of U.S. troops could go ahead in the spring and summer of 2006 if the Iraqi political process is not derailed and the insurgency does not grow.


Pentagon officials have provided little detail in discussing the possible withdrawal of forces from Iraq. The most specific estimate has come from Lt. Gen. John Vines, who runs day-to-day military operations in Iraq. He said in June that a reduction of "four or five brigades" ? perhaps 20,000 troops out of the current 135,000 ? was possible sometime next year.


More than 1,780 American troops have died since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. The Bush administration has refused to set deadlines for withdrawal, saying U.S. soldiers will remain as long as needed until Iraqi troops and police can defend the country on their own.


"The president wants to see our troops come home, but we've got an important mission that we need to complete," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday.


McClellan said Bush depends on his commanders to say how many troops they need, "And they make decisions based on the conditions and the progress that's being made on the ground."


Car bombings, roadside bomb attacks and other violence against U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians have increased in recent months, and al-Jaafari and his cabinet face constant threats. Rumsfeld's visit to Iraq was not announced ahead of time for fear of attack.


Still, the United States points to successful elections in Iraq in January and formation of a democratic government as evidence both that the Iraqis are on the path to independence and that the U.S.-led toppling of Saddam Hussein was worthwhile.


Rumsfeld did not comment on al-Jaafari's remarks, but told reporters separately that the country's political leaders need to do more to relieve the burden on American forces. He said Iraqis need to start taking responsibility for guarding the estimated 15,000 U.S.-held prisoners, and should meet the Aug. 15 deadline for completing a draft constitution.


"It would be very harmful to the momentum that's necessary" if the constitution is not finished on time, he said. "We have troops on the ground there. People get killed."


More than half of Americans, 55 percent, who were polled in early July for The Associated Press by Ipsos, said they disapprove of the U.S. government's handling of Iraq. Thirty-seven percent said in AP-Ipsos polling in June that they thought the United States should bring its troops home immediately.


The presence of U.S. troops is increasingly unpopular in Iraq as well. Forty-six percent of Iraqis polled in a survey conducted in March and April said the U.S.-led war had done more harm than good. At the same time, 61 percent said Saddam's ouster was worth the price.


Forty-seven percent of respondents in that CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll said attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq are unjustified, while 52 percent said those attacks could be justified some or all of the time.


"We desire speed in that regard," al-Jaafari said of a U.S. pullout, but added that no specific timetable exists for a handover.


"We do not want to be surprised by a withdrawal that is not in connection with our Iraqi timing," he said, speaking through a translator.


At the Pentagon, officials say they have prepared a range of scenarios, from increasing the size of the force to reducing it substantially. Drawdowns could be accomplished by bringing home troops ahead of schedule, or rotating in fewer replacements when a unit returns to its home base.


Casey and other officials mention spring or summer as possibilities because the U.S. military will need time to assess the effects of the December elections on the insurgency, defense officials said. Iraq's security forces are also expected to be in better shape by then.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/27/international/i153908D30.DTL


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4494696 - 08/04/05 01:31 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

i have seen a few articles on this, but no one seems to be talking about it. i will be happy to get our people the fuck out of there.

and what a coincidence that they are coming home in 2006. (election year)


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4494971 - 08/04/05 02:23 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

didn't they say this last year?

Headline for summer 2006: "U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2007"


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: moog]
    #4495035 - 08/04/05 02:32 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I imagine you're right moog. I don't see us pulling out that soon. I hope we do, I just don't see it happening.


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: moog]
    #4495157 - 08/04/05 02:59 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I believe we were going to pull our "advisors" out of Viet Nam in 1958... and our troops in 1969, 1970, 1971...


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: moog]
    #4495485 - 08/04/05 04:17 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

moog said:
didn't they say this last year?

Headline for summer 2006: "U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2007"




haha

do you have a link that the U.S. hoped to pull out 40,000 troops in 2005?


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4495489 - 08/04/05 04:18 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I've heard that by 2008 they hope to begin the process of proving that they had justification for the war.


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4495902 - 08/04/05 06:11 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

sorry, i looked for an article but found references only to Italy and Ukraine pulling troops out this year. so i guess i was wrong.

...but i'm betting my headline will still be right. :wink:


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: moog]
    #4496000 - 08/04/05 06:47 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

you could be right, I just hope you are not.


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4498186 - 08/05/05 02:50 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Iraq is a bloody and uncontrollable mess. How likely is it that the "hopes to withdraw by 2006" are propaganda designed to placate public opinion after one of the worst weeks for american troops since they occupied Iraq?


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Re: U.S. Hopes to Begin Iraq Pullout by 2006 [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4498265 - 08/05/05 03:02 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Note: (and this has already been covered - I cannot make this stuff up! This is not satire, but based upon actual statements.)

Less violence: We (the USA) are succeeding in our plan to disseminate democracy. This is a good thing as it means the Iraqi people are behind us.

More violence: We (the USA) are succeeding as the increased violence only shows how desperate the terrorists are. This is a good thing as it means we are getting them where they live.

Folks: Throw out everything you learned about logic and rationality and fully enter the age of double-speak. When either a positive or negative result supports someone's stance, be afraid. Be very afraid!


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