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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: zerozero]
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fact: they are passing laws that stipulate that if pulled over FOR ANY REASON ones car can be searched with a drug dog. period.


You're probably thinking of the recent Supreme Court case Illinois v. Caballes. What you said, however, is only partially true. Police are allowed to get a dog to sniff your car if you are legally pulled over, but they cannot DETAIN you so that the dog has time to show up. To detain you, they still need reasonable suspicion.

What this means is that if the police are really quick and manage to bring the dog in while the officer is still writing your ticket, then it is fair game. But once the original reason for pulling you over has been taken care of, the officer cannot further detain you while waiting for the dog to show up unless the cops have reasonable suspicion you are carrying drugs.

On a related matter, if cops ever violate your rights, you can file civil and criminal charges in Federal court. Violating civil rights under color of law is a Federal misdemeanor that carries a penalty of up to one year in jail and possible civil relief for the plaintiff.


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Edited by votelp2008 (08/04/05 03:33 PM)

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: votelp2008]
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How long is the detain period last?


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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: votelp2008]
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Just hope you don't get pulled over by a k-9 unit


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney18 said:
Just hope you don't get pulled over by a k-9 unit


i have a feeling that one day the bastards will ALL have a dog ready and waiting in their car, or have K-9 posted in various spots around town waiting for the call.  then they can tip toe right around the dentention time.  :mad2:


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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Wouldn't surprise me a whole lot, the way the nation is headed :frown:

It's sad...and the worst part is...at least another 3 years of this madness (disclaimer: it is only in my opinion that the president of our country is a madman. there are many others, including possibly you, the reader of this, that think he is a genius. while i couldn't disagree with you more, i do respect your opinion, as having differing opinions is what makes America great. although, i do have to question how much longer differing opinions will be allowed)


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: dblaney]
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I for one vote MADMAN. IMO Bush will probably be the cause of the next world war..... it seems like he has no concience when it comes to pissing off the world.... lets see right now countries that he wants to start a fight with, North Korea, China, syria, iran..... and i dont think the list will stop there.
i honestly cant understand how he won the presidency BOTH times, we all know the first time he was helped out, and im pretty sure he was the second time too. and yeah id give out as many opinions as you can, who knows when bush will try to sign ANTI OPINION into the constitution.


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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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leftysurprise said:
dblaney18 said:
Just hope you don't get pulled over by a k-9 unit


i have a feeling that one day the bastards will ALL have a dog ready and waiting in their car, or have K-9 posted in various spots around town waiting for the call.  then they can tip toe right around the dentention time.  :mad2:


Drug dogs are expensive to train and maintain. It would be impossible  for even 10% of the officers to have K-9 partners. For example, a rich police department that I know of has about a 1000 officers, but only about 3 drug-sniffing K-9 units, which means only 0.3% of the officers have K-9 partners. Poorer or smaller departments may have only one dog, or none at all. Also, drug dogs can only work for a short time without getting tired.

Many times when an officer threatens to call in drug dogs, they are just trying to scare you in an effort to get you to consent to a search.


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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: Fospher]
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Fospher said:
How long is the detain period last?


As long as they have reasonable suspicion, they can detain you however long it takes for the dogs to arrive.


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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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Pretty much man :frown:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: votelp2008]
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Question answered, thanks for the help.


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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: Fospher]
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Heres my opinion on this and a short story to back it up. The cops, at least in my area, pretty much do whatever they want.

About a year and a half ago i was pulled over while walking home from work late one night. I worked about 4 miles from my house and had a suspended license at the time, so I walked. They ran my ID and got my record... which yes includes a misdemeanor possesion charge. As soon as they had that information one of them raised his nose in the air and said "you smell something?" "smells like pot"... Well they searched me, against consent, found a small glass bowl I had in my backpack and made me break it and told me to leave. I assume I wasnt charged for the bowl because of the obviously illegal search... And did I mention this all happened less than a half mile after I entered my home town? I think they have kept thier eye on me for awhile but I stay on the DL. In any case its just one example amoung many of rights abuse in my area(which is a major U.S. city)... Fuck the police.

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: Damos]
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i've been pulled over 5 times in the last year.. Never searched. No cause to. They cant just do it. A simple traffic infraction is not enough to search a car.

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: ecoman2]
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It is in the case of Art Garfunkle :shrug:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Basic Weapons Search [Re: ecoman2]
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ecoman2 said:They cant just do it.  A simple traffic infraction is not enough to search a car.


Don't bet on it.

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