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spud
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Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

#4460567 - 07/27/05 05:11 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Imagine of the photographs of the young females being tortured hit the public.

IMO, America would freak out. America has a history of being very reactive to torture, pain, suffering, abuse, etc. directed towards females...especially young females.

I think if the new photographs somehow hit the public, it would dramatically change much of America's opinion on the war.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460574 - 07/27/05 05:14 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

hmm?

That's how a good part of Desert Storm was started actually.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

[Re: StrandedVoyager]
#4460595 - 07/27/05 05:23 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

i have heard that the photos are bad(sex/rape). A lot worse then Iraqi men with panties on their head. if that is true then the American people will be upset, but the sorry motherfuckers that are responsible will be prosecuted. the end.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460636 - 07/27/05 05:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Charges were only brought against several low-ranking personnel. The people at top will never see the walls of a jail cell. Yet they are just as deserving of the sight, or perhaps even more so.

Sound familiar?

It happens over and over and over. Some horrible military travesty, yet the low ranks are the only ones who get the spotlights. Look at the My Lai massacre, William Calley was the only one who was convicted.

The majority of the current charges against those who committed crimes at Abu Ghraib are weak as fuck.
Jeremy Sivits was sentenced on May 19, 2004 by a special court-martial (less severe than "general"; confinement sentence limited to one year) to the maximum one-year sentence, in addition to being discharged for bad conduct and demoted, upon his plea of guilty.
Specialist Armin Cruz of the 325th Military Intelligence Battalion was sentenced on September 11, 2004 to eight months confinement, reduction in rank to private and a bad conduct discharge in exchange for his testimony against other soldiers.
Sabrina Harman was sentenced on May 17, 2005 to six months in prison and a bad conduct discharge after being convicted on six of the seven counts. She had faced a maximum sentence of 5 years.
Megan Ambuhl was convicted on October 30, 2004, of dereliction of duty and sentenced to reduction in rank to private and loss of a half-month?s pay.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460676 - 07/27/05 05:53 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

i have heard that the photos are bad(sex/rape).

I've seent the photos in question...I don't think that they were authentic.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460694 - 07/27/05 05:57 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I HIGHLY doubt they are authentic...but if they are indeed I'd be very interested in viewing them...

There is only 1 or 2 authentic new ones I know of for sure, and they don't really display anything too horrific.

Out of +100, I guess only 1 or 2 were suitable enough to be made public.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460713 - 07/27/05 06:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

lets wait and see what the new pictures are.

Six months for panties on the head ... sounds about right.

I had worse stuff done to me in an American prison. (for starting trouble)

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460736 - 07/27/05 06:10 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

lonestar2004 said:

Six months for panties on the head ... sounds about right.

Believe it or not, there is reality outside of the photographs.

The testimonies say more occurred.

Due to the context, I don't find her the most creditable source for what occurred.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460773 - 07/27/05 06:21 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

what are they?

I found this.

Specialist Sabrina Harman is accused of writing the word "rapeist" (sic) on the leg of an Iraqi prisoner who was then photographed in sexually humiliating poses with other naked detainees.

It sucks that they did this crap. (naked twister) now all the attention is on them.

Does anyone know if any of the rapists, killers and thieves held at Abu Ghraib have ever been brought up on charges of abuse?

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460801 - 07/27/05 06:31 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

You are very selective in what you read.

In addition to what you pointed out Harman, is accused by the U.S. Army of attaching wires to a prisoner's hands while he stood on a box with his head covered and threatening electrocution if he fell and striking several prisoners by jumping on them as they lay in a pile.

And because of this she is charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with conspiracy, dereliction of duty, and Cruelty and maltreatment.

Her 6 month penalty isn't even 6 months, she is only going to be serving for 4.

You may see this as justice.

I don't.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460857 - 07/27/05 06:50 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

spud said:

if that is indeed a true picture, then that woman is a stupid cunt who deserves to have her teeth kicked in.

normally i'm a very passive person. but now i'm drunk and this kind of bullshit really irks me.

gahhhh.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460868 - 07/27/05 06:51 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Hooray for the Reserves :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

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#4460909 - 07/27/05 07:05 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Krishna said:

spud said:

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if that is indeed a true picture, then that woman is a stupid cunt who deserves to have her teeth kicked in.

I would not want to be your prisoner Krishna.

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4460987 - 07/27/05 07:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

There are pictures of "prisoners" being raped, tortured, dissected, slaughtered; surfacing around or somewhere, out there. In this day in age, maybe video. But I doubt Republicans or radical right-wingers would give a shit.

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#4461061 - 07/27/05 07:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

And some go to jail for 25 years for marijuana posession?! I've even heard american police have locked down schools (north carolina?) at gun-point searching for reefer...

I guess I should stop smoking dope and enlist...

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4461918 - 07/27/05 11:49 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

spud said:

She looks like one sadistic cunt-rag, that's fo sho. :bondage:

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Re: Abu Ghraib, new pictures old story...new reactions?

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#4461969 - 07/27/05 11:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

The Pentagon is the one who broke the story of Abu Ghraib, and the press didn't pick up on it for awhile later. We already had an investigation because crimes were committed. The only reason it is national news is because of the pictures. With our cable news generation it isn't a story unless you have the visuals. Without "good copy" the story goes nowhere.

Color me jaded, but we can't keep murder, rape and abuse out of our own prisons here at home. Is anyone that surprised that out of the hundreds of thousands serving, some of them would be criminals?

I think some of the problems with public education can been seen in this fiasco. What type of dumb slut commits a crime, and then takes photos of it and sends them to friends?

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#4462035 - 07/28/05 12:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

JesusChrist said:

I think some of the problems with public education can been seen in this fiasco. What type of dumb slut commits a crime, and then takes photos of it and sends them to friends?

One that wants to be popular. :cheer:

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#4462660 - 07/28/05 02:29 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Adamist said:

She looks like one sadistic cunt-rag, that's fo sho.

I'll bet she's good in the sack.

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#4462685 - 07/28/05 02:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

JesusChrist said:

What type of dumb slut commits a crime, and then takes photos of it and sends them to friends?

One that was educated in public schools.

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