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Mixed Arab Reaction
    #2670138 - 05/12/04 08:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Arabs react to Berg decapitation

Arab public opinion over the decapitation of an American hostage in Iraq has varied, with many calling it barbaric while others see it as a natural response to US violence.


An Islamist website on Tuesday carried a video clip of the decapitation, with a statement saying a group linked to al-Qaida carried it out in revenge for the abuse of Iraqis by US troops.

"That man went to help rebuild Iraq. I am very sad that he was killed but his stupid government put him there...If his family are looking where to put the blame, they shouldn't look further than the White House," Cairo office worker Mansur Muhammad said.

"This action was bad because it makes Arabs look like barbarians but that's what the Americans think anyway. My fear is that now Americans will feel Iraqis deserve the torture," said Mamduh, an Egyptian pharmacy student who did not want to give his full name.

Killing criticised

Some Arabs said Abu Musab Zarqawi, a leading al-Qaida figure who is alleged to have led the decapitation, had failed the very people he said he was avenging by strengthening Washington's hand in Iraq.

"What religion or sect condones such a barbaric act? This is abominable, God curse Zarqawi"

Hasan Ahmad Jar Allah


Others said the killing was against the teachings of Islam.

"Zarqawi is an enemy of the Arab and Muslim nation because he distorted their image and portrayed Islam in an incorrect manner," said Hasan Ahmad Jar Allah, 41, a Saudi government employee, who had seen the tape on the Internet.

"What religion or sect condones such a barbaric act? This is abominable, God curse Zarqawi," he said of the tape which showed masked men sawing Berg's head off with a large knife and holding it in the air.

Counter-productive

One Gulf analyst, who did not want to be identified, said the killing would prove counter-productive for Iraqis.


Many Arabs agreed the killing
would be counter-productive


"This strengthens the position of Americans in Iraq. American people are going to start asking their government when it will retaliate," he said.

To others Berg's beheading was an appropriate response to what they see as US abuses against ordinary Iraqi civilians as well as prisoners.

"This was a justified retaliation. The Americans had committed very ugly actions against the Iraqi people in general and Iraqi prisoners in particular," said Muhammad al-Barguti, a
24-year-old security guard in the West Bank city of Ram Allah.

'Tit for tat'

Mutaz, a Syrian taxi driver working in the United Arab Emirates, went further:

"The Americans deserve even more than this for what they are doing in Iraq. Every American should watch this tape to see what is coming to them, or are they the only ones allowed to kill?"

"Every American should watch this tape to see what is coming to them, or are they the only ones allowed to kill?"

Mutaz,
Syrian taxi driver


Writer Jamal Ghitani suspects the American intelligence agency CIA of "having fabricated and put the (Berg) images on the Internet to make people forget the scandal of torture in Abu Ghraib prison and hide the roots of evil which lie in the occupation, oppression and extermination of man in Iraq and in Palestine."

He told AFP: "Violence generates violence. The region is in this infernal cycle. I reject these visions of horror. But to stop the violence is the responsibility of the strongest."

Khalid Ayman Abd al-Fattah, a 24-year-old journalism student, criticised what he called the orchestrated indignation of the West over the killing of an American or Israeli and its "silence on the atrocious crimes" committed in Iraq.

"While nothing justifies the murder and torture of civilians, the rule must be the same for all," he said.




What I find interesting is that those saying this was justified sound a lot like what some of the people in this forum have been saying.


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Re: Mixed Arab Reaction [Re: silversoul7]
    #2670307 - 05/12/04 08:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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"This action was bad because it makes Arabs look like barbarians but that's what the Americans think anyway. My fear is that now Americans will feel Iraqis deserve the torture," said Mamduh, an Egyptian pharmacy student who did not want to give his full name.





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Re: Mixed Arab Reaction [Re: silversoul7]
    #2670393 - 05/12/04 09:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe AlJizzy can clear this up for us.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=1890

U.S. angry at the beheading of an American

The captors who appeared in the video tape stated that they were avenging the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, new images of which are to be released soon.




The first paragraph isn't really about the video that much at all, rather its about the abuses at the Iraqi prisons. Wonder what this means?
Quote:


The CIA is checking claims that top al-Qaeda suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was involved in the killing of Nick Berg.

The released pictured of beheading Mr Berg were preceded by a caption saying that al-Zarqawi would carry out the killing.

But Nick Berg's family blamed the U.S.-led occupation for creating the circumstances in which he was kidnapped, about a month ago.

More evidences of abuses of Iraqi civilians

News of Mr Berg's killing came as American politicians negotiated with the Pentagon to start viewing the remaining photographs and video images of the abuse of prisoners by American troops.

CBS television is understood to be going ahead with the broadcast later on Wednesday of a video diary by a female American soldier who worked at two prison camps in Iraq, the soldier is said to talk flippantly of Iraqi prisoners dying and makes it clear she does not see their safety as important.

Members of both houses of Congress prepare to view more pictures of abuse in possession of the Pentagon on Wednesday.

Nick Berg's abductors said they had offered to exchange him for inmates at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison but the occupation authorities had, they said, refused.

The statement read out by one of the masked men who appeared in the video tape

??Nation of Islam. Tidings of dawn and winds of victory have begun for God has honoured us with roaring victory in Falluja. ??Nation of Islam. Is there any excuse left to sit idly by? And how can free Muslims sleep soundly as they see Islam being slaughtered, honour bleeding, photographs of shame and reports of satanic degradation of the people of Islam, men and women, in Abu Ghraib prison? ??Where is the care, fervor and rage for the faith of God, where is the concern for the sanctities of Muslims and where is the revenge for the honour of Muslims in the crusader prisons?

??As for you Islamic scholars, you will answer to God. Do you not see...the Muslim youth who humiliated the greatest power in history, cut off its nose and shattered its arrogance. ??Do you not see that it is time for you to learn from them the meanings of responsibility and sacrifice. Until when shall you remain like women, excelling only in...wailing and crying? ??One person pleads with the free of the world, another with (U.N. Secretary-General) Kofi Annan, a third asks for help from (Arab League Secretary-General) Amr Moussa and a fourth calls for peaceful demonstrations as if they never heard God?s order for the Prophet (Mohammad) to rally the faithful to fight. ??Have you not had your fill of the war of conferences and battle of words. Is it not time for you to take the path of jihad and carry the sword of the prophets. We ask you not to condemn what we will do just to please the Americans.

??Prophet Mohammad, ordered (his army) to strike the necks of some prisoners in Badr (battle) and to kill them...And he set a good example for us. ??As for you Bush, dog of the Christians, anticipate what will harm you and difficult days. You and your soldiers will regret the day you stepped foot in Iraq and dared to violate Muslims. ??A message to the traitorous agent (Pakistani President) Pervez Musharraf: We tell him that we wait eagerly to receive your soldiers and, by God, we will demand them before the Americans and avenge the blood of our brothers in (Afghanistan). ??As for you, mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the American administration to exchange this prisoner for some prisoners in Abu Ghraib, but they refused. ??We tell you that the honour of Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and other (prisons) are more noble than blood and lives. ??And you will only get shroud after shroud and coffin after coffin slaughtered in this manner.??





This doesn't sound very "mixed" at all. This sounds like they are blaming it on the US occupation. Do you think that the reporter writing this story is using the same condemning tone that US reporters and newsbroadcasters use when they tell the story of Iraqi prisoner abuse? Mixed indeed!




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Re: Mixed Arab Reaction [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2670423 - 05/12/04 09:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I feel dumber for having read that.  They translate what the captors said and that means the Arab reaction isn't mixed?  :wtf:


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    #2670446 - 05/12/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think it takes a whole culture to promote the hate shown by Berg's killers....

Terrorists dont make tapes of atrocities in cultures where they dont have a strong support base. I suppose a good comparison in america is the south...The hatred and violence shown to blacks for so many years was the act of a minority, but it had the support of the whole culture, in fact i dont think that kind of violence can be reached without the support of the culture...We had to wage a brutal bloody war just to begin to purge the south of its "inferior" culture...and its still trying to hang on...


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