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Tinkal's Garden
    #4459216 - 07/27/05 09:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I live in Greece and this is a part of my garden. Most of the plants are entheogens but I also have many herbs.

Solanaceae :


Belladonna atropa:




I just cant's figure why the flowers don't smell! Other solanaceae have characteristic toxic smell. I managed to grow two of them. I am waiting for the first seed harvest. Nice plant though.

Hyosciamus niger:



Divilish plant.Har har! This plant has it's place in the history of ancient Greece. They were using it in the Oracle of Delphi.



Ah nice! First harvest. This came from three plants. One more time I will be able to get seeds in 1-2 months and then they will die. Next year will grow other kinds of Hyosciamus, like  Hyosciamus aureus or Hyosciamus albus. Flowers smell strange. Something like trash/lemon/toxic/honey.

Datura inoxia



Always pretty the flowers of Datura. I am thinking in growing black datura. Hope to find them next year. Seedpots are already hanging and I am counting 4. I have 2 daturas.

Mandragora officinalis




At last I managed growing mandragoras. I now have 3 M. officinalis and 3 M. autumnalis. Heard that there ( From "The encyclopedia of Psychoactive plants") 10 variations of this plant. A bit difficult plant to grow due to it's huge root. This shit never dies. Believe me.

Brugmansia sanguinea



It will take years until it will become a real tree. I hove it will survive throught the mediteranian winter. Really beautifull tree. Now it's 3-4 months old.

Mint family

Coleus blumei



The most easy plant to grow in my garden! I have two of them. The second has huge leafs. I am gathering leafs to test the diterpene froskolin. They said it's like salvinorin but with a more dreamy feeling! let me see.. With a x10 extract I will be fine.

Convolvulaceae :

Morning glory (mainly Pearly gates) :



Nice plant, really love them. Easy to grow. I have 6 of them. Next year I will grow Baby Woodrose mainly. That's better ! I am planing to make wine with MG's flowers. We will see...

Ololiuqui :



This plant troubled me! My seeds were old and when I managed to grow one ( from 40 seeds only one plant sprouted) ,I figured that stoped growing. For 3 months, this plant was 5-6 cm high. Now it grows very fast ( I thank the sun) . Expecting to see it's flowers and smell them. I have one of this but next year I will grow 4-6.

Zygophyllaceae

Peganum harmala :



Now that's an interesting plant. There is an other post about our efforts to grow this fucker.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4169757/an/0/page/1



I have 7 pots with Peganum harmala.



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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4459253 - 07/27/05 09:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey nice garden Tinkal!

Popular names mix things up.
Ololiuqui is Rivea corymbosa or Argyria nervosa ?


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: ytse]
    #4459293 - 07/27/05 10:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice garden and nice job stocking up on seeds! How is your salvia coming along?

I see you follow "The path of the poisons" (witchcraft plants  :laugh: )


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: ytse]
    #4459301 - 07/27/05 10:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice!

But what the fuck is Hyosciamus niger, and how does it intoxicate? Like Datura?


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: filthysock]
    #4459327 - 07/27/05 10:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly :laugh: Its in the same family.I think the common name is Henbane (Generally we tend to preffer latin names since there is no confusion using them compared to common names,especially if you live in a country with great folklore around plants)


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Psiloman]
    #4459345 - 07/27/05 10:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I also prefer to use latin names.

Fuck... I saw a program on discovery a few days ago about how they would intoxicate people in greece on deliriums and send them through staricases going down to the "underworld" too meet the Oracle... through dark mazes and alot of sick taunting things... one of them would be to stay isolated in a booth for 3 days on deleriums before continuing there path to the oracle. Wicked shit. So I guess this is what they used then.


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: filthysock]
    #4459429 - 07/27/05 10:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You sould do the following then. Search for these.

Hyosciamus :

* Hyoscyamus albus (White henbane)
* Hyoscyamus aureus
* Hyoscyamus boveanus
* Hyoscyamus muticus
* Hyoscyamus niger (Henbane)
* Hyoscyamus pusillus
* Hyoscyamus reticulatus
* Hyoscyamus senecionis

Also see a really strange Hyosciamus, the one that lives in a desert.
Hyosciamus muticus. I don't really know if it's really from the family of Hyosciamus.


Do you remember the name of the documentary ?

I guess I should start a new post for Hyosciamus. People should learn about this. It's forgotten.

Psiloman : Witchcraft path. Poison and madness. The path of Saturn.

Ytse : It's Rivea corymbosa (Ololiuqui). Next year I will go for Argyria nervosa (Hawaian Baby Woodrose)


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4459464 - 07/27/05 11:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No... the name of the documentary is forgotten. Too many benzo's lately, I'm forgetting everythng.


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4461091 - 07/27/05 07:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice garden, Tinkal! Thank you very much for sharing with us. :smile:
About your Coleus: Do both of your plants have that pink/green color configuration? I've had that variation of Coleus, but lost it at some point. I love Coleus and have many different types, with different leaf shapes, colors, and growth habits. Are they all Blumei, or is just that one you have a pic of Blumei? Just curious, because I really enjoy this plant for aesthetic purposes, and I do feel a certain "connection" with Coleus. I have made tea from 100 fresh leaves with no effect, and feel only a slight quasi-placebo effect from smoking. I haven't done any extractions. Psiloman, what do you know about Coleus and it's chemical constituency.


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    #4461224 - 07/27/05 08:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Lets see first what Dr Duke has to say

http://sun.ars-grin.gov:8080/npgspub/xsql/duke/plantdisp.xsql?taxon=295

Nothing interesting there although keep in mind that a)Dr Duke is not infallible b)the list seems very short and i dont know the screening methods he used.

Take for example Dr Duke entry on salvia divinorum http://sun.ars-grin.gov:8080/npgspub/xsql/duke/plantdisp.xsql?taxon=886 .Do you see all salvinorins there? No.Do you see any interesting activitiesnoted by him? No. Thats of course contrary to what we know about this plant nowadays,some people are equiping their homes with complete home cinemas from money they got overpricing this plant.

"Froskolin" is actually....forskolin

Is forskolin indeed present in coleus Blumei or only in Coleus Forskohlii? (See http://sun.ars-grin.gov:8080/npgspub/xsql/duke/plantdisp.xsql?taxon=294 )

As for this compound see these links :

http://forskolin.4mg.com/

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/fors.html

To me its sounds more or less having an effect similar to caffeine (that rise in cAMP intracellular levels) although it might have other actions as well.

Maybe the rumors about this plant started from the refference in -i dont remember whose book- that a curandero had them in his yard.When asked about it he just said that they are ornamental,his daughter brought them from market becase "they looked pretty".There could be something more there,there could be nothing as well...

Maybe an extract,a smokable extract of the plant could be well worth trying.Even salvia divinorum which is UNDENIABLY psychoactive has a pooor oral performance. What kind of extraction you ask? Acetone extraction first,we are after some terpenes arent we? Salvinorin A is located on glandular trichomes of Salvia leaves and a simple wash of the leaf with acetone retrieves it (its not intracellularly in a vacuole or something).This could be tried with coleus as well (saves you from huge chlorophyl content of the final product.).If it works bingo.If not pulverize leaves and try again.

If indeed this plant is psychoactive ,the active component might not be the afforementioned one,we might be looking on something completely different.

Tinkal where did you hear those comments about it being as salvia but "dreamier"? My general advice is to beware os placibin ,placebo hydrochloride and all their salts and preperations :laugh:


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Psiloman]
    #4574552 - 08/24/05 01:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

An update.

Belladonna's berries :



Now I understand why kids eat theese! They are black and they shine. Someone told me that eaven one berry can kill you.

Ololiuqui :



I saw some hardening. Morning glories didn't do that!

Pereskiopsis spathulata :



Now this is a nice colonisation. They grow really fast.

Leonotis leonorus :



I think this is a Leonotis, but I am not shure. I will wait for the flowers. They smell like mint but the fragrance is more intence.


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    #4575321 - 08/24/05 05:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Update :



A baby Mandragora autumnalis


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    #4575995 - 08/24/05 08:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Bravo for the garden! I love updates so keep em coming!

Did this mandragora come from a seed sown now,or from previous rootstock you had in ground?


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    #4576154 - 08/24/05 09:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

beautiful garden!

i happen to be greek, but i've never been to greece, what's up with that ... :wink:


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    #4577056 - 08/25/05 12:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thats a leonotis, but not a leonurus, could possibly be klip dagga. I have some leonurus and they have much skinnier leafs.


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    #4577799 - 08/25/05 04:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

great garden :smile:

i have clip dagga with much wider leafs...
this realy looks like something in between the both of them.
im guessing its Leonotis leonorus X nepetifolia.

how much sun and water does your belladonna get?
im keeping mine in the shade with almost contantly damp soil,
and im in holland so its already moist here with many many clowdy days...
mine are bigger, with wider leafs, but they arent flowering yet and
they dont smell either.


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    #4577983 - 08/25/05 09:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's Leonotis, that's true. But I really don't know what kind it is . I ordered seeds with the name L. leonorus. They might have send me wrong spp. The site has the following kinds :

Leonotis Staircase
Leonotis africana
Leonotis leonurus
Leonotis leonurus white
Leonotis nepetifolia
Leonotis ocymifolia ssp ocymifolia
Leonotis ocymifolia ssp raineriana

It might be one of them...

I keep my Belladonnas in full sun, no shade, but with plenty of air. You know, Vertigo6911, these flowers don't smell. Hehehe. Be sure to have them in big pots. They have big roots.

I read somewere that in Africa they make oil from leonotis. Something like Hash oil. With some guidance I could make some too.

As for the mandragoras, it's a photo 2 months ago and it's from seed. It's better to grow mandragora spp and brugmansia spp in the ground and not in pots. I don't have luck in these two.


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    #4578152 - 08/25/05 10:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

is there a specific way datura and other tropane species need to be handled, like during a transplant, so as to avoid passing chemicals through the plant? or is it fairly innocuous until you ingest it?


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    #4592909 - 08/29/05 12:12 AM (12 years, 28 days ago)

No I don't think that there is any special way.


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    #4611887 - 09/02/05 12:13 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Oh it's raining! A bliss.

Making the right combination of fertilizers + raining season I have very good results from my plants.

Salvia spledens Alba:
It finally bloomed. They were sick for 4 months. New fertilizer made them very strong.



Trichocereus pachanoi f. monstrosus:
After one year, it remains a baby.



Hyoscyamus niger root.
Last one that died. I got it's root. Biggest from all the three. Now I am leaving the new plants to grow all together. Every pot has 4-5 plants together. We will see the results.



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