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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4619246 - 09/04/05 11:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The plant you indentified as Trichocereus pachanoi f. monstrosus is just a trichocereus pachanoi crest(ate).
Monstorous is less spectaculair. Monstorosus means that it is still columnar but that the ribs are not continuesly separetad.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: darkice]
    #4744406 - 10/02/05 05:43 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Update Octomber 2005 :

Mandragora autumnalis :



After 4 months without leaves, they finaly made it. I've read that they bloom in the winter, but I don't know if this is true. All I know is that both of M. autumnalis they were is hybernation all the summer.

Leonotis spp. :



That's a better close up of the plant. I noticed that the root system is strong and there is a great possibility to make it throught the winter.
Can anyone now tell me what exactly this plant is ? What spp ? The seeds say "Leonotis Leonorus" but i guess they aren't.

Peganum harmala :



I am a bit worried about these. They are so thin, and I have been growing them from June. Some of them got white, something like mold. Don't know what is it. I'll find out.


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4745502 - 10/02/05 02:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Beautiful...Beautiful...Beautiful!!!! Awesome garden work, Tinkal.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: World Spirit]
    #4748540 - 10/03/05 08:53 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you very much! I see you are excited! I am more excited about my mandragoras. I will have plenty of their "teachings" in the following months.

At the winter I will continue my garden indoors but only with grafted cacti. I hope most of my outdoor plants will survive for the next summer!

Theese will be the cacti I will start growing :

CORYPHANTHA MACROMERIS
EPITHELANTHA MICROMERIS
ASTROPHYTUM ASTERIAS
PELECYPHORA VALDEZIANA
ARIOCARPUS RETUSUS

Please do come again, I will have more photos.


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4750447 - 10/03/05 05:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I've read a bit about the fruit of the Mandragora. It is apparently a very spiritually powerful aphrodisiac that must be handled with care. You are one of very few people on the planet right now who have (or should I say "will have"?) access to this priviledge. A 'trip' report is hereby politely demanded of you.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: World Spirit]
    #4751003 - 10/03/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone can get access to this plant.Just buy some seeds (aint that hard to find) and....plant em!

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Psiloman]
    #4751469 - 10/03/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

True dat.  :wink: :tongue: :sun: :sun:

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: World Spirit]
    #4757845 - 10/05/05 07:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Solanaceae Updated :

Belladonna :



It's flowers. The funny part is that theydon't smell at all. I picked at least 10 flowers and then I smelled something...

Brugmansia :



I know I am doing something wrong. But did't figure out. It stopped growing. It's 5 months old!

Mandragora autumnalis :



Grow boy, grow. I need your apples.

Mandragora officinalis :



5 Months old, died from heavy rain.

Datura inoxia :



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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4758848 - 10/05/05 11:52 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

still, ive searched for mandragora before and found nothing.
Tinkal is prolly the only shroomerite growing it right now...


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4762492 - 10/06/05 03:27 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

And you know what the problem is ?
It's because everyone find this procedure very boring. You know how difficult find some people the procedure of seed propagation and grow? Everyone wants his pedro or his mandragora ready and chopped!

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4762505 - 10/06/05 03:41 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

the dagga is leonotis neptifolia, klip dagga.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4762510 - 10/06/05 03:51 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i disagree, the leafs are too narrow to be nepetifolia.
clip dagga has much rounder leafs, these seem somewhat in between
leonurus and nepetifolia...

heres nepetifolia:


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4769955 - 10/07/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Tinkal, I'd like to hear more about using the nightshades and the daturas, if you have the time. Specifically, in a medicinal context.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4769984 - 10/07/05 04:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Tinkal said: Also see a really strange Hyosciamus, the one that lives in a desert.
Hyosciamus muticus. I don't really know if it's really from the family of Hyosciamus.




Hi Tinkal. The plant in the picture definitely isn't H. muticus :wink: Here is one picture of confirmed H. muticus:



H. aureus can be a really nice plant grown in a container. The strangest looking species I've grown is H. boveanus. Have you seen H. reticulatus?



That one is on my most wanted list, and I should have a batch of seeds from a contact in Israel in the next month or so.

Best wishes with your garden.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: World Spirit]
    #4770450 - 10/07/05 06:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Tinkal, I'd like to hear more about using the nightshades and the daturas, if you have the time. Specifically, in a medicinal context.




I hope you dont mind me butting in...

Nightshades such as Belladona has been used aesthetically to dilate the pupil of the eye.This has two main application.

First of all cosmetic,hence the name.Ladies used drops from the fruits or water infusions of this plants to make their pupils dilater and make them to appera more attractive.

Second,a medicinal use was to dilate the pupil so a doctor could look inside your eye,bu utilizing gentle light.In this way certain diseasers of the eye could be spotted.Nowadays they use other compounds for this job because atropine and scopolamine are too long lasting.You certainly wouldnt like to walk for 2-3 days blind like a bad and photophobic after an eye examination.

Another use of anticholinergics is loosening of muscles in pre surgery treatments ,so surgery can proceed easily.Also some brominated versions of them are used for relaxing the gut,making pain from gut spasms to subside.

Half a century ago (or in modern times) plants liek datura were used to treat parkinson's symptoms. A rise in dopamine (look up Levodopa) or a "fall" in acetylocholine aleviated symptoms. Patients usually smoked leaves of Datura or more rarely drank infusions of them,a quite dangerous practice.

For all the above applications nowadays synthetic compounds are used,most of them carrying modifications that enable them to exhibit only the desired action ,lacking unwanted side effects like delirium.

Sorry for the info overloda ,i simply couldnt resist!


Oh an by the way, hell of a nice first post there! I hope we see you more often in ethnobotanical garden!

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Psiloman]
    #4770480 - 10/07/05 06:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Nah, I don't mind at all. Appreciate your posts always, Psiloman. I've read a fair amount on the better known medicinal uses of the nightshades and the daturas, but I know with certainty that modern (in-home) medicinal usage is far superior. Very few, but some, people know how to use the plants to destroy the power of sickness and to get people in a more centered state of being.
This is the type of information that I'd love to read more on.

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: World Spirit]
    #4770532 - 10/07/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oh,in home use?

This coud be the Parkinson's temporary remedy ,and also an asthma remedy since those alkaloids are known to be a bronchodilator. Having this action (bronchodilation) those alkaloids could allow one to breath more freely, so they could be propably used in cases where due to a disease/flu the patient would have breathing difficulties (of course exclding mechanical obstructions of the trachea,the breathing tube that leads to ones lungs.

I dont know dosages or recipies but im sure they can be foudn around. Its quite propable that Tinkal knows more of its folklore uses (and dosages) than me ,so here im stepping down and letting the Green Thumb man to share what he knows with us.

Tinkal certainly has his way with the plants.I visited him personally and let me tell you that he amazed me with his gardening skills! I think he should keep it up because he has a talent there!

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Psiloman]
    #4770544 - 10/07/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Kudos to Tinkal. Tell us what we need to know....

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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: World Spirit]
    #4776000 - 10/09/05 07:26 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Belladonna :



Ballarina's feet

Scopolia : I am really interested in finding H. boveanus and H. reticulatus seeds. I find Hyoscyamus very interesteing. It's the plant that I am connected with it.

As for the medicinal dosages of datura, Hyoscyamus and Belladonna, I have them in a Greek book. I'll try posting here some time.

Oh, and my avatar is a flower of Hyoscyamus niger!


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Re: Tinkal's Garden [Re: Tinkal]
    #4782113 - 10/10/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Tinkal said:
Scopolia : I am really interested in finding H. boveanus and H. reticulatus seeds. I find Hyoscyamus very interesteing. It's the plant that I am connected with it.




I have some rather old seeds of Hyo. boveanus that I am trying to germinate now. They were collected about 5 years ago in the Sinai, near the Red Sea. If normal methods don't work then I will try GA-3.

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