Sinbad said:

After that we need to practice remaining in the state of equanimity where no notion of self is held in mind, the state of egolessness.(non-meditation). This solves the entire problem. Its like cutting the tree at the root: all branches, twigs, leaves wither at the same time. To have dissolved ego-clinging and to be stable in the knowledge that realizes egolessness is simply another description of freedom, liberation, great peace, or "The Awakened View". This is extremely profound, and it is real.

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looner2 said:

Sinbad said:

After that we need to practice remaining in the state of equanimity where no notion of self is held in mind, the state of egolessness.(non-meditation). This solves the entire problem. Its like cutting the tree at the root: all branches, twigs, leaves wither at the same time. To have dissolved ego-clinging and to be stable in the knowledge that realizes egolessness is simply another description of freedom, liberation, great peace, or "The Awakened View". This is extremely profound, and it is real.

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Why do we need to do this? Go ahead and deny your instincts, your humanness, in an attempt at something intangible. What is the point?

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OldWoodSpecter said:

Must you really know the concepts to be spiritually awakened? Must you even be able to speak and understand language?

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MAIA said:

I understand Sinbad, but how many of us are ready to let go this society and this "system" ?

Egolessness, if taken objectively, involves the suppression of many social interactions. An ego-less person will hardly function in a egoistical system - like the western materialistic system -, that's why really ego-less person choose to live alone or among equals.

Egolessness is an ideal, as some other ultimate ideals, we have to work hard to achieve it. We can feel free even if incarcerated in the worst dungeon as long we have ideals. But at the end what really counts is not reality itself, but the way we see it. Egolessness is just a way to change it, but even after living under it, you still matter, or else you wouldn't be practicing it.

MAIA

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Its just not true that in a western society one cannot function being ego-less. People creating such limitations about ego-lessness , but the truth is, that there is none, this sense of "ego" is what limits us spiritually. The only thing that changes if you are ego-less, is you state of mind and attitude, you become happy, content and more compassionate. For example, when dreaming, if you notice that its a dream, does that mean you cease to be able to function within that dream? When i lucid dream, i just continue doing everything in the dream, the only difference is that I'm aware that it is a dream, so things don't effect me emtionally in the same way as if i took it for reality, i can relax, meditate and take control, in fact one can function without limitation if one realizes, when dreaming, that one is in fact dreaming.

Egolessness is not an ideal held by the ego.

Egolessness is simply when one investigates into the nature of the 'self' and discovers that in fact, there is no 'self' or 'ego' that exists. There is no permanent, self-existing entity there, everything is interdependent upon everything else. And everything is equally empty of independent existence, and equally dependent upon space for its manifestation. The only reason you would practice, is to get more used to and familiar with that realization.

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Egolessness is not an ideal held by the ego.

Egolessness is simply when one investigates into the nature of the 'self' and discovers that in fact, there is no 'self' or 'ego' that exists. There is no permanent, self-existing entity there, everything is interdependent upon everything else. And everything is equally empty of independent existence, and equally dependent upon space for its manifestation. The only reason you would practice, is to get more used to and familiar with that realization.

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Are you aware there are different concepts of egolessness ?
But anyway, if defined by buddhism i guess you're right ... 

MAIA