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Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory
    #4131840 - 05/04/05 11:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I want to provide an alternative viewpoint. A different way of seeing the world around you. A different way of understanding seperateness, solidity, and related concepts.

I am looking at my dresser, right now. It appears to be there, quite solid and unmoving. In my mind, I know it is not "there", nor solid, nor still. It is probably there, only appears solid, and could be taking quick trips to the Andromeda Galaxy whenever I blink.

Our everyday macroscopic world is quite misleading, for on the scales where matter is formed the world works in a vastly different manner. I look at my dresser, which appears quite solid. In reality, I am not even seeing the dresser. I see light, photons, which themselves never "touched" the dresser but were bounced away by a shell of electron probability-waves. We are lucky that our most valued sense, that of sight, can still function as it does when it has such incomplete information about the world around us. We do not see things, we see reflections of probably locations of things.

Think of an atom not as a nucleus with small particle electrons orbiting it...think of it as a nucleus surrounded by shells of probability. The electrons do not orbit the nucleus as the moon orbits the earth, they exist as shells around the nucleus. The outermost shell can interact with the outermost shell of other nearby atoms, forming some of the compounds we know and love. In these compounds, you should not think of it as a bunch of individual atoms in a collection...but as a bunch of individual atoms surrounded by a common electron shell. Even on the smallest of scales, the idea of "separateness" is flimsy at best.

So there is my dresser, but there it isn't. There is an electron shell, the combined shells of trillions of atoms. I see only what is most probable, not what "is". Is-ness is an illusion, for humans. We cannot know what is.

In the end, I know, this has little to zero impact on how most of us experience the world around us. However I do think that if you can come to accept the world as a probability, if you can come to understand this on the deepest level, you will see that probability rules ALL in this universe - even in our macroscopic lives. Even in this human world we have built, in this society, you must think of it all as probable - not "is".

You know I didn't write this, and you didn't read it.

It only probably happened :wink:


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: trendal]
    #4132150 - 05/04/05 01:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Try explaining the concept of building something from scratch. The concept that nothing is there but it is, yet we can construct things that are physically there, but what keeps its from not becoming everything else, but becoming what we want it to become.

"In reality, I am not even seeing the dresser. I see light, photons, which themselves never "touched" the dresser but were bounced away by a shell of electron probability-waves. We are lucky that our most valued sense, that of sight, can still function as it does when it has such incomplete information about the world around us. We do not see things, we see reflections of probably locations of things."

Humans interact with everything around them. What made the initial tree grow as wood? What made the inital cut to bring the tree down? What made the notion that these trees can be cut into pieces of wood to be used in your dresser? What keeps this dresser from becoming part of the floor it sits on? What gives?

The electron probobility region is classified in QM. What makes this region not blend with other regions around itself if there are a few trillion. Yet things almost touch, but they don't. What keeps them from touching and letting there atoms mingle if its the probobility of things around us. This probobility must be extreemly accurate.


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: trendal]
    #4132178 - 05/04/05 01:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

My god is probability, well my half-ass attempt to conform to having an actual god that is, designates god as probability. It explains everything... probably.


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: demon2091tb]
    #4132507 - 05/04/05 02:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't say the dresser doesn't exist. It does exist. It's just not "there", in the classical sense.


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: trendal]
    #4132523 - 05/04/05 02:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What do you suppose is the probability of creating an Infinite Improbability Generator?


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: Silversoul]
    #4132546 - 05/04/05 02:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

42^2851284 : 1 against


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: trendal]
    #4132654 - 05/04/05 03:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's just not "there", in the classical sense.

It is as much there in the classical sense as a 1700 Louis XIV dresser was. Just because some 1920 theorists have attempted a new definition; nothing has changed.

It is not "probably" there. It IS there. Not one single macro experiment has indicated otherwise.

Now pass that blunt, you intelligent stoner, you!  :stoned:


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Re: Probability, Solidity, and QM Theory [Re: Swami]
    #4132744 - 05/04/05 03:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

All just mind games, in the end :wink:

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What you know you can't explain,
But you feel it;
You've felt it your entire life.
That there's something wrong with the world.
You don't know what it is, but it's there....
Like a splinter in your mind...
Driving you mad.


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