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My 1=1 Theory
    #3275243 - 10/25/04 12:42 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

(this is a way to reach the highest perspective)


If everything is percieved as 1=1, then theres not problem.:)

What I mean is, if you think of an object that you feel nothing towards,(but void ofcourse), and make everything feel the same way something wierd will happen. hehe

EX: We think 1+1=2......BUT what if you say 1+1=1....then everything you experience also =1.....if you percieve a book on a table as 1, cds as 1, the table itself as 1.....so the combination of all these things must also =1.....get what I mean?

EX: If you are sitting around a bunch of people, and you start to judge someone.....what if you percieved that feeling as =1, as well as the person=1.....dont forget, you = 1 too :smile:........So everything =1......Reality = 1.

So thats my 1=1 theory :smile:


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    #3275347 - 10/25/04 01:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: freakygurl]
    #3275428 - 10/25/04 01:32 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I'd think of it more as perceiving everything as zeros, whose sum itself is also zero. or something :smile:


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3275429 - 10/25/04 01:32 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

What about 0 = 0 ? Or 0 = infinity ?

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3275435 - 10/25/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3275443 - 10/25/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Its has nothing to do with math, it could be X=X
A=A w/e

What im trying to say is.......if 1=1....then 2=1....or X=1.......the # represents an idea...and all ideas have equal value.


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3275544 - 10/25/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Numbers will not fully represent the idea, then the idea itself.

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3276714 - 10/25/04 07:32 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i know, this was just an example so others could understand


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3276777 - 10/25/04 07:49 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I still don't understand. Maybe if you could explain your idea with another analogy.

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3276848 - 10/25/04 08:02 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

1=1 is ONE..
1+1=1

one is 3, zero = zero?


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: freakygurl]
    #3276869 - 10/25/04 08:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Vaka said:
I'm a math major




as well. I see what you're saying though. I don't think you came across effectively trying to define your theory in mathematical terms, however.


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: daba]
    #3277217 - 10/25/04 09:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

lol, can someone explaine this for me that knows what im talking about?

I suck at explaining stuff, i gave examples of the idea cuz thats the best way I can learn ideas, thats throught examples.....So thats the  best way I can explaine it, is throught examples,....

So please, if you dont understand, try to get the overall idea of my examples and go from there :smile:


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3277420 - 10/25/04 10:24 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

you're applying numbers to things that truely don't have a numerical value when you break it down to specifics, because emotions can't be broken down into a number. you have to take into count the situation, your mood, etc. humans aren't (supposed to be) machines and therefore you should not expect a certain one outcome from a human like you would expect from a machine. i think your theory may have potential in controlled experiments but i think in real-life problems that the outcome will only become complex and intangible.

some more thoughts:

numbers above the quantity of single (or "one") are just collections of "ones" and given the more "ones" you can infer a larger quantity. take for example, the roman numeral system. I = 1, II = 2, III = 3, IV = 4. of course you can make symbols to decribe a certain quantity but the fact is that it's all symbolism and numbers aren't real, quantities are. alot of native american tribes use to group things in to "two's." i hope you got something from this.

thanks,

wes aka trick :smile:

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: trick]
    #3277460 - 10/25/04 10:35 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

lol, THATS THE POINT........i used numbers to represent the idea because thats the best way I understand it.....and deff thanx for breaking down more :smile:


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3277710 - 10/25/04 11:46 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

you = me

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Todcasil]
    #3277791 - 10/26/04 12:07 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

me=us we=them


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: trick]
    #3278323 - 10/26/04 04:53 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

trick said:
you're applying numbers to things that truely don't have a numerical value when you break it down to specifics, because emotions can't be broken down into a number. you have to take into count the situation, your mood, etc. humans aren't (supposed to be) machines and therefore you should not expect a certain one outcome from a human like you would expect from a machine. i think your theory may have potential in controlled experiments but i think in real-life problems that the outcome will only become complex and intangible.

some more thoughts:

numbers above the quantity of single (or "one") are just collections of "ones" and given the more "ones" you can infer a larger quantity. take for example, the roman numeral system. I = 1, II = 2, III = 3, IV = 4. of course you can make symbols to decribe a certain quantity but the fact is that it's all symbolism and numbers aren't real, quantities are. alot of native american tribes use to group things in to "two's." i hope you got something from this.

thanks,

wes aka trick :smile:




Could this be in application with super advanced AI in cybernetic virtual reality down to the subatomic level?

Also, would you consider them as just a program or an actual consciousness?

Also what is the difference?

Are they related?

Why are they related?

Edited by Tag_Number (10/26/04 05:00 AM)

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3278901 - 10/26/04 10:11 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I think that what he is saying is that if everything is a collective one, that if you experience individual aspects of this collective one, that it helps to see it as one.... :grin:

You mention comparing every object and experience to one that you have no feelings towards, and then trying to view every object in this manner.  What this is, is not implying your own thoughts on objects, people, and experiences, and it is beneficial because this clears your perspective - reality is being experienced as it being experienced, and isn't being further defined or obstructed by your own thoughts, defintions, feelings, etc. etc. etc.

I imagine it is this general idea that you are trying to convey. Eh? :wink:

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3278936 - 10/26/04 10:19 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

an infinite number of zeros attempts to equal one

yet this too is another zero within a higher set

or something :/


I agree that numbers are not absolute or anything, and that using them to base theories around is kind of, umm, 'odd' - seeing how they are a product of human logic and not objective at all. Still though, the concept is the same, viewing everything as equal fragments of an equal whole, everything as the same infinite value as it's encompassing set of infinite values.

The concept of zero is beyond numbers though. Don't view it as a symbol representing nothing, but rather as the underlying concept itself :smile:

zero = infinity (like tag said)


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3278977 - 10/26/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Tag_Number said:
Quote:

trick said:
you're applying numbers to things that truely don't have a numerical value when you break it down to specifics, because emotions can't be broken down into a number. you have to take into count the situation, your mood, etc. humans aren't (supposed to be) machines and therefore you should not expect a certain one outcome from a human like you would expect from a machine. i think your theory may have potential in controlled experiments but i think in real-life problems that the outcome will only become complex and intangible.

some more thoughts:

numbers above the quantity of single (or "one") are just collections of "ones" and given the more "ones" you can infer a larger quantity. take for example, the roman numeral system. I = 1, II = 2, III = 3, IV = 4. of course you can make symbols to decribe a certain quantity but the fact is that it's all symbolism and numbers aren't real, quantities are. alot of native american tribes use to group things in to "two's." i hope you got something from this.

thanks,

wes aka trick :smile:




Could this be in application with super advanced AI in cybernetic virtual reality down to the subatomic level?

Also, would you consider them as just a program or an actual consciousness?

Also what is the difference?

Are they related?

Why are they related?




1 = 1
2 = two groups of 1
3 = three groups of 1

doesn't everything spawn from a single entity? correct me if i'm wrong but 1 atom is (or CAN) be made up of protons/electrons/nuetrons. then when we get smaller and smaller the process insues. although the physical reality is HUGE, everything can be viewed through perspectives of collections of one.

Universe.
Milky Way.
Earth.
United States.
Georgia.

such as the theory of relativity -  if 2 points (latitude and longitude) can pinpoint my location then adding another point (time) would even further expand the possibilities.

Example:
Be at peachtree ave. at 12:00 pm.
besides
Be at peachtree ave.

get it?
you can add even more details to the picture

City, State Date:Time

but it still pinpoints the exact location only through inferring.
Latitude, Longitude, and Meridians don't exist. In reality, our measurements of time don't exist.

if you're familiar with Riemann then you can take his theory into consideration as well.

here, i found you a link:
http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/notes/rh.html

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3279003 - 10/26/04 10:34 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Is it, that you somehow want to describe quality with numbers ?
Your quality here is existance. A comb and a spoon both do not more or less exist for themselves, as they exist together, so 1 + 1 = 1...
If you add all that exists together, you again get the 'one' as a supertranscendental number - what describes 'one for all' or something like that :grin:


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #3279155 - 10/26/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
Is it, that you somehow want to describe quality with numbers ?
Your quality here is existance. A comb and a spoon both do not more or less exist for themselves, as they exist together, so 1 + 1 = 1...
If you add all that exists together, you again get the 'one' as a supertranscendental number - what describes 'one for all' or something like that :grin:




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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: trick]
    #3279788 - 10/26/04 02:12 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

hehe, yep thats what I mean :smile:


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3280651 - 10/26/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

In my view, your 1=1 theory is one stage in the path of awareness.  This is taught in Zen as a circle.

0 degrees: 1+2=3 (attachment to name and form)

90 degrees: 0=1, 1=0 (attachment to thinking, form is emptiness, emptiness is form)

180 degrees: 1000x0=0, 1x0=0 (attachment to emptiness. no form, no emptiness)

270 degrees: 3x3=9, 1000x100=1000x9 (attachment to freedom, freedom form, freedom emptiness.  Magical powers, "ooooooooooooohh, aaaaaaaaaahh")

360 degrees: 3x3=9 (nonattachment thinking, form is form, emptiness is emptiness, Ultimate enlightenment.  Only the truth is seen.  At this point, the circle disappears)

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #3280713 - 10/26/04 05:49 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

""360 degrees: 3x3=9 (nonattachment thinking, form is form, emptiness is emptiness, Ultimate enlightenment. Only the truth is seen. At this point, the circle disappears) ""
dude.. cool  :thumbup:

and if we follow language blindly. (haha?)
I am me, and to you reading this i alsow am you, so you are you = me?
the thought has many stands if i say icecream is bad, am i saying icecrem is good?  if so, why? and how?


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Gomp]
    #3280776 - 10/26/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Good and bad are simply perceptions of opinion.  This is attachment to thinking. 90 degrees.  I find on the peak of high dose acid trips, I attain a state resting somewhere around 180 degrees.  You know the "whats the point" trip?  If youve had one, you know what I mean :wink:

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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #3280941 - 10/26/04 06:50 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

yes indeed, i remember that feeling
im thinking "the point is the point"

hum.. this is weird, I'm to humble to say i feel I'm "stuck" on the 360 degrees wive but i feel i am.. h?h?h? "Ultimate" sound wierd?


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Re: My 1=1 Theory [Re: Gomp]
    #3281154 - 10/26/04 07:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Just an added note.  I feel that psychedelics can only get the circle spinning.  Hitting a wall around 90 degrees.  The next steps come from hardcore Zen practice.  I feel that most here at the shroomery (I cant speak for anyone however) have attained the first steps to enlightenment at 90 degrees.  Psychedelics really open this up.  All of what I speak has to do with Zen practice.  This is purely my view of everything.

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