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a second look at pope benedict XVI...
    #4093904 - 04/25/05 02:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

looks like i was wrong and hes not a neocon after all (despite his questionable actions in the 2004 election) ..

snippet from inaugural address...

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And there are so many kinds of desert. There is the desert of poverty, the desert of hunger and thirst, the desert of abandonment, of loneliness, of destroyed love. There is the desert of God?s darkness, the emptiness of souls no longer aware of their dignity or the goal of human life. The external deserts in the world are growing, because the internal deserts have become so vast. Therefore the earth?s treasures no longer serve to build God?s garden for all to live in, but they have been made to serve the powers of exploitation and destruction. The Church as a whole and all her Pastors, like Christ, must set out to lead people out of the desert




of course bush is hellbent on expanding both the internal and external deserts and hearding more ppl into them...and if the pope means what he said above..then he will have to stick it to the shrub at some point...


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4093922 - 04/25/05 02:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Will he though, in all actuality, cut ties with one of the most powerful figureheads on Earth? :nonono:


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4093988 - 04/25/05 02:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i kind of doubt that the pope actually has any direct connections to the shrub or his inner circle of neocons...my hunch is that benedict XVI was chosen as an interim pope..and as such..will prolly not get involved either way...if im wrong..then pls post a link...


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4093990 - 04/25/05 02:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's yet to be proven either way. I'm just basing my outlook on the former positions between both parties, and their obvious affiliations (in way of manipulating the law to their purposes, as well as Bush's religious outreach pandering to religious voters and selling them their morality).


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4094785 - 04/25/05 12:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

apparently he never wanted the job in the first place...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/25/pope.monday/index.html


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4094809 - 04/25/05 01:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Instead of praying to God for him not to be the pope, why didn't he just decline the offer in the first place? Of course he wanted to be the pope...


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4094995 - 04/25/05 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Assuming this man truly believes all that he purports to, it would be somewhat impossible for him to turn down this job. In his eyes God has given this position to him and blessed him with it, to turn it down would be an action against God. He prayed beforehand to try to persuade God that he wasn't ready, or not capable of handling that job to no avail so now he must deal with what God has given him.


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4095137 - 04/25/05 03:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Gotta love the "power" of prayer.


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4095142 - 04/25/05 03:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Actions, not words, will ultimately reveal where he truly stands..


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Swami]
    #4095169 - 04/25/05 03:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Swami said:
Gotta love the "power" of prayer.




indeed.


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #4095211 - 04/25/05 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

mmm, the guy claims to strongly believe in animal rights. i dig that.

in fact, he says they have souls just like humans.


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Swami]
    #4095234 - 04/25/05 03:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Swami said:
Gotta love the "power" of prayer.




I'm sure that because of his faith, (if he is indeed faithful), god bestowed upon him to wisdom to perform his job well even if god didn't do what Benedict asked him to do for him. What he does now with this wisdom is his responsibility alone. God probably actually selected him because of his prayers to avoid it, or at least all of this makes a great story for the faithful masses. Likening the pope to Christ, as Christ also prayed to avoid his calling.

He looks evil to me, he looks like I would imagine the anti-christ is supposed to look like. I think he's a 'tard.

But nevertheless, remember that god is purpoted to be alive, and so he can answer prayer with a "yes" or a "no", and he's under no contract with humanity to do whatever they say just because they say a prayer to him. Fuck that nonsense.  :thumbdown:


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4095346 - 04/25/05 04:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Nice "apology", so why was the man praying? False humility? Does God fall for the ole reverse psychology?


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: entiformatie]
    #4095393 - 04/25/05 04:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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entiformatie said:
mmm, the guy claims to strongly believe in animal rights. i dig that.

in fact, he says they have souls just like humans.




The bible suggests otherwise... but, alas, the good book is obviously open to interpretation in regards to religious authority figures.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4095397 - 04/25/05 04:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Smallworlds said:
Quote:

Swami said:
Gotta love the "power" of prayer.




I'm sure that because of his faith, (if he is indeed faithful), god bestowed upon him to wisdom to perform his job well even if god didn't do what Benedict asked him to do for him. What he does now with this wisdom is his responsibility alone. God probably actually selected him because of his prayers to avoid it, or at least all of this makes a great story for the faithful masses. Likening the pope to Christ, as Christ also prayed to avoid his calling.

He looks evil to me, he looks like I would imagine the anti-christ is supposed to look like. I think he's a 'tard.

But nevertheless, remember that god is purpoted to be alive, and so he can answer prayer with a "yes" or a "no", and he's under no contract with humanity to do whatever they say just because they say a prayer to him. Fuck that nonsense.  :thumbdown:




That's exactly why you're going to hell. Heretic. :smirk:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Swami]
    #4095444 - 04/25/05 04:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No, god doesn't fall victim to trickery, just ask lucifer.

The guy was praying because he was old and tired and wanted to take it easy, that much is obvious to see.

However god, for whatever reason, wished to challenge Benedict to perform another good work for him.

If you don't believe any of this you don't have to. And I'm not saying that my portrayl of the situation is accurate either.

It could also be that Benedict is a selfish, arrogant soul that doesn't even like god, and he's just a power hungry little munchkin. Who fucking knows what this cat's all about, I don't.

But, whether the whole story of what he was praying for and shit is true or just a bunch of made up bullshit to make him look like he acts like Christ is a side issue to the issue of whether or not God exists.

Could be he was a prayerful, faithful man and so god is offering him the opportunity to be all he can be.

Could be him and his whole church's leadership are/have become fake-ass, greedy old men on a power trip and they don't even pray.

Neither situation disproves god's existance, or disproves the "power of prayer", no matter how much you'd prefer that they did.


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #4095581 - 04/25/05 05:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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CaptainJailew said:
Assuming this man truly believes all that he purports to, it would be somewhat impossible for him to turn down this job. In his eyes God has given this position to him and blessed him with it, to turn it down would be an action against God. He prayed beforehand to try to persuade God that he wasn't ready, or not capable of handling that job to no avail so now he must deal with what God has given him.




Assuming he becomes very ill and requires medical treatment urgently or face death...would he let God's will take its course or will he defy it?


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4095588 - 04/25/05 05:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The previous pope used the help of man, and at the same time denounced Terri Schiavo's predicament. :shrug:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4095609 - 04/25/05 05:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That's because Terry Schavio was just an empty vessel.


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Re: a second look at pope benedict XVI... [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4095626 - 04/25/05 05:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think the pope shouldn't have made the comment.


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