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Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children"
    #17436944 - 12/23/12 12:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

He's keeping the Roman in Roman Catholic. At least he has the courage of his beliefs.

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    “In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

    “It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

        Pope Benedict XVI


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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17436965 - 12/23/12 12:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

He gets paed to say shit like that.  I notice the cars in the lot at St. Peters today.  St. Peters, get it?  St. Dicks just didn't make the final cut.


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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #17436990 - 12/23/12 12:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

He does not photograph well either. There is always a sinister sort of look about him I can't really put into words. Maybe it's just me though, confirmation bias against religious.



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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17436994 - 12/23/12 12:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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He does not photograph well either. There is always a sinister sort of look about him I can't really put into words. Maybe it's just me though, confirmation bias against religious.






It's just you.  Why aren't you at (m)ass?


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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #17437008 - 12/23/12 12:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I do not go to church, much less a catholic one. lol

But I guess it's like they say, "Popin' ain't easy."



Say what you want about him, but he wears cool hats.




He reminds me of the dark wizard in a cheap satanic horror flick moreso than a real religious leader.


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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #17437094 - 12/23/12 01:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

in the first quote he is just stating fact, in the second he is right. :shrug:


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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: Ellis Dee] * 2
    #17437104 - 12/23/12 01:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I've always felt the same way.


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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17437125 - 12/23/12 01:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Keep reminding me how pathetic my culture is, there is no way out. Only the awareness that from the top down everyone is incompetent. This secretive male dominant hierarchy is the direct attraction for pedophiles. While I can understand what he is saying from a philosophical stand, everyone has the potential to be as sick as they come, the them against us is not acknowledging the human condition. As if these people choose to be sick... I doubt it. No this does not mean sick things should be allowed, do the crime then do the time. But the popes logic falls short where he fails to make changes, for 1 insist that all priests be married and have children of their own, thus transforming the hierarchy into something that filters out the sick deviants rather than attracting them. As for Gay rights, they have the Anglican church, let them be Anglican. Possibly I'm rather mad.

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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #17437148 - 12/23/12 01:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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do the crime then do the time..




So you accept some laws but reject others?

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Re: Pope Benedict: "paedophilia in conformity with man and even with children" [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17437156 - 12/23/12 01:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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REPTILIAN!!!!


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Dishonest Title [Re: quinn]
    #17437175 - 12/23/12 01:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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in the first quote he is just stating fact, in the second he is right. :shrug:





I agree Railgun's title for this post is dishonest: the pope never announced pedophilia to be in conformity with man (whatever the fuck that even means- seems the pope is jumping on the naturalistic fallacy).  All he said was that everyone else was doing it, and so the church got corrupted through the permisive society and was lured into hiring a bunch of rapists and facilitating their rape over decades while hiding the criminals from the parents and police.

But I can't see how the first quote is correct: I see no acceptance, which is surely what the pope implied, of pedophilia in the 70's.  This is just the catholic church once again claiming at once that they are no better than anyone else and shouldn't be expected to not have rampant child rape and at the same time claiming they are better than everyone else, have the keys of peter and the ability to grant salvation.

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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: johnm214]
    #17437242 - 12/23/12 01:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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quinn said:
in the first quote he is just stating fact, in the second he is right. :shrug:





I agree Railgun's title for this post is dishonest: the pope never announced pedophilia to be in conformity with man (whatever the fuck that even means- seems the pope is jumping on the naturalistic fallacy).  All he said was that everyone else was doing it, and so the church got corrupted through the permisive society and was lured into hiring a bunch of rapists and facilitating their rape over decades while hiding the criminals from the parents and police.

But I can't see how the first quote is correct: I see no acceptance, which is surely what the pope implied, of pedophilia in the 70's.  This is just the catholic church once again claiming at once that they are no better than anyone else and shouldn't be expected to not have rampant child rape and at the same time claiming they are better than everyone else, have the keys of peter and the ability to grant salvation.




Ha ha you said "keys of peter". 

Look these guys are just priming us all for another pump.  Or something like that it's just amazing they aren't all in jail let alone telling us what to do.


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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #17437299 - 12/23/12 01:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They tellin you what to do...??

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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: johnm214]
    #17437458 - 12/23/12 02:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

quinn said:
in the first quote he is just stating fact, in the second he is right. :shrug:





I agree Railgun's title for this post is dishonest: the pope never announced pedophilia to be in conformity with man (whatever the fuck that even means- seems the pope is jumping on the naturalistic fallacy).  All he said was that everyone else was doing it, and so the church got corrupted through the permisive society and was lured into hiring a bunch of rapists and facilitating their rape over decades while hiding the criminals from the parents and police.

But I can't see how the first quote is correct: I see no acceptance, which is surely what the pope implied, of pedophilia in the 70's.  This is just the catholic church once again claiming at once that they are no better than anyone else and shouldn't be expected to not have rampant child rape and at the same time claiming they are better than everyone else, have the keys of peter and the ability to grant salvation.




The word 'Rape' is bandied about as if all underage sex were non-consensual.

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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #17437474 - 12/23/12 02:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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They tellin you what to do...??




Well not me personally but in general to the "flock".  Hell it's the Catholic church thou shalt do this and not do that.


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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #17437587 - 12/23/12 02:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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quinn said:
in the first quote he is just stating fact, in the second he is right. :shrug:





I agree Railgun's title for this post is dishonest: the pope never announced pedophilia to be in conformity with man (whatever the fuck that even means- seems the pope is jumping on the naturalistic fallacy).  All he said was that everyone else was doing it, and so the church got corrupted through the permisive society and was lured into hiring a bunch of rapists and facilitating their rape over decades while hiding the criminals from the parents and police.

But I can't see how the first quote is correct: I see no acceptance, which is surely what the pope implied, of pedophilia in the 70's.  This is just the catholic church once again claiming at once that they are no better than anyone else and shouldn't be expected to not have rampant child rape and at the same time claiming they are better than everyone else, have the keys of peter and the ability to grant salvation.




The word 'Rape' is bandied about as if all underage sex were non-consensual.





No it isn't, its bandied about as if I'm describing rape, not underage sex.

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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #17437610 - 12/23/12 03:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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The word 'Rape' is bandied about as if all underage sex were non-consensual.



Good point! Lots of smooth skinned young alter boys seduce their spiritual gurus too. It's not necessarily the guru's fault if they don't have the constitution to resist. Blame must be shared. :strokebeard:


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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #17437629 - 12/23/12 03:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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The word 'Rape' is bandied about as if all underage sex were non-consensual.




this is true. (maybe not with you johnm but it is generally taken as a given when discussing underage sex).

i think it is interesting that a traumatic experience seems not only to do with the content of the experience itself but also whether it can be integrated back in to society... shared with family, friends etc. it's also interesting that trauma seems to involve elements of pleasure. to an extent a child might enjoy a sexual experience, or a soldier might enjoy killin ppl. the fact that this pleasure is condemmed in ordinary society and cannot be re-expressed might also account for trauma...

not saying i agree with underage sex but that just seems to be how things work.


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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: johnm214]
    #17437637 - 12/23/12 03:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Painful and non-consensual sex between partners of any age is considered rape in my opinion. I just thought your argument catered to the emotional projection that any sexuality between adult and youngster constituted rape.

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Re: Dishonest Title [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17437658 - 12/23/12 03:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
The word 'Rape' is bandied about as if all underage sex were non-consensual.



Good point! Lots of smooth skinned young alter boys seduce their spiritual gurus too. It's not necessarily the guru's fault if they don't have the constitution to resist. Blame must be shared. :strokebeard:




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