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InvisibleZippoZM
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the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end.
    #4110880 - 04/29/05 01:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's ascent to the papacy took a conclave of 115 cardinals, four rounds of voting and followed a lifetime of service to the
Vatican.


But ask Internet doomsayers eyeing a 12th century Catholic prophecy and they'll tell you it was all stitched up more than eight centuries ago and that judgment day is nigh.

The prophecy -- widely dismissed by scholars as a hoax -- is attributed to St. Malachy, an Irish archbishop recognized by members of the Church for his ability to read the future.

Benedict, believers say, fits the description of the second-to-last pope listed under the prophecy before the Last Judgement, when the bible says God separates the wicked from the righteous at the end of time.

"The Old Testament states: 'believe his prophets and you will prosper' -- so believe it. We are close to the return of the Judge of the nations. Christ is coming," wrote one Internet post by the Rev. Pat Reynolds.

"Thank God for the witness of St. Malachy."

St. Malachy was said to have had a vision during a trip to Rome around 1139 of the remaining 112 Popes. The new pope would be number 111 on that list, and is described in a text attributed to St. Malachy as the "Glory of the Olive."

To connect Benedict, a pale, bookish German, to anything olive takes some imagination. But Malachy-watchers point to the choice of the name Benedict -- an allusion to the Order of Saint Benedict, a branch of which is known as the Olivetans.

"When (he) chose the name Benedict XVI, this was seen as fulfilling the prophecy for this pope," wrote one entry on www.wikipedia.org.

Benedict said that he chose the name partly in honor of Pope Benedict XV (1914-1922), calling him a "courageous prophet of peace." On Wednesday, Benedict dedicated his papacy to "the service of reconciliation and harmony between peoples."

"Perhaps Benedict XVI will be a peacemaker in the Church or in the world, and thus carry the olive branch," speculated www.catholic-pages.com.

Another site, www.bibleprobe.com, went even further, showing a picture of Benedict holding olive branches in March during Palm Sunday celebrations.

"Is this the Pope of Peace (olive)?" it asked in the caption.

Critics widely dismiss the Malachy prophecy as a forgery and possible propaganda meant to influence a 16th century conclave. Doses of skepticism even appear on the most energetic Malachy web pages.

But believers point out similarities between the prophecy's descriptions and past pontificates.
Pope John Paul II, number 110, was described in the prophecy as "de labore solis" -- or "of the labor of the sun."

He was born on May 18, 1920, the same day as a solar eclipse. The pontiff was buried on April 8, 2005 -- the same day as a partial eclipse, visible in the Americas.

More pressing for doomsayers are the prophecy's references to the last Pope on the list, Peter the Roman, who will lead the Church before "the formidable judge will judge his people."

Since Benedict is already 78 years old, they say Peter the Roman must be coming soon, and with him, the end of the world.

"His reign will only last a few years at most. This signals that we are living in what may be the end of days as we know it," said one Web Site entry by someone calling himself SmartBob.
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you have to admit with the lsat pope being of the sun, and being born and dying on a solar eclipse is one hell of a coincidence... peraps somthing more to this?

what are the prophecys that are to be fufilled after the election of this pope?


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4110902 - 04/29/05 01:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If you stare at a set of data like the Malachy nuts do for long enough, you'll find all sorts of patterns that are not indications of anything mystical but are actually just statistical norms in the data.

Look here for some amazing 'coincidences' regarding birthdays, presidents, bridge hands, and the stock market.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9809/coincidence.html


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: Diploid]
    #4110915 - 04/29/05 02:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

coincidence, and prophecy are 2 different things.
how is it that the last pope became called the pope of the sun?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4110949 - 04/29/05 02:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

And who started calling him that? The Malachy nuts, perhaps? Ever hear the phrase Self-fulfilling Prophecy?

Had he died on the day of the eclipse, it might be an interesting point, but he died before the eclipse. Since the date of his burial was set by people to coincide with the eclipse, I don't see any significance. :shrug:

Why didn't the prophecy just give us his name and exact dates. Either you can prophesies the future or you can't.

This is another classic case of accommodation.

I can go on, but why...


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Edited by Diploid (04/29/05 04:01 PM)


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4111129 - 04/29/05 02:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"His reign will only last a few years at most. This signals that we are living in what may be the end of days as we know it,"

No, that signals that the brand new pope is fucking old, and ready to die soon of old age if nothing else.


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4111596 - 04/29/05 05:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

It's all make believe bullshit. Fortune telling in the bible is acceptable provided it turns out to be true... if it's found to be false it doesn't count. Same with prophecies, especially self fulfilling ones.


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4112425 - 04/29/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Benedict, believers say, fits the description of the second-to-last pope

This has been addressed several times in the last few weeks, but Benedict is the final pope according to Malachy's prophecy. An extra pope was added after Olivae by the church many years after the original printing.



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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: Jellric]
    #4112434 - 04/29/05 09:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Let's hope they fullfill their prophecy... and end their Church of repression and technological back-ass-wardness.

The goal of the belief is population control and outright acceptance of it. Their were some 5 million people in the year 5,000 B.C.E..... humans breed themselves into extinction, only to come back.

Just my off the wall conspiracy theory of it.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: the pope fufililng prophecy and signaling the end. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4113598 - 04/30/05 03:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What! You mean the Catholics are saying the world is going to end!?! :badcomputer: :smirk:

Old news, no one will know the day and time. Perhaps this pope thinks he can defy his own scripture and give eye to the end?
We all know the end will come, as it always does. And the end will take us right back to the beginning.
When it does come, the mass scale harvest of global consciousness, I only hope it was delayed until the last moment possible, stretched further by our preservation and peace efforts on Earth.


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