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Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice
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I don't wanna do the PF tek(using powdered rice), I would like some tips on the specifics regarding measurements, additional ingredients(verm) and procedures using whole rice grains to birth and crumble. that's pretty much all I gotta work with at the moment (no popcorn or rye available) :frown: . also I am going to use hydroton balls as a substitute to perlite. any suggestions about that?

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: rtek]
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Don't crumble, case them whole.  Advantage of whole grain over BRF cakes:  Almost 100% nutritional content, where as BRF cakes have a substantial amount of verm.  Fast colonization times.  Properly done, pint jars of whole grain will smoke any BRF 1/2 pinters.  Did I mention lots of nutrition? :laugh:

Follow the 9er tek: http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7923

Use Lundenbergs Nutrafarmed brown rice.

And like I said before, case them whole:



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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: Holydiver]
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I'm using a larger tray for fruiting, also i'm trying to get a good pinset, which if i'm correct will mean that I will have to crumble 3-4 cakes evenly accross the bottom layer of (hydroton balls and vermiculite - Sterile of course :smile: ) but I was almost convinced that I should  be using Verm in the substrate itself to maintain humidity levels. top casing will be a ready-made mix of peatmoss-verm-perlite which will be pasteurized to say the least. This will be my first one.But I gotte make sure I do this right, already make spore syringes of the Koh Samui super strain from spores.. any sopport and advice would be appreciated

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: rtek]
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Studies show:
if you cook the rice fully, i.e. good to eat, you won't need any verm in there other than on top to seal the jar.
Also recommended would be flax seed meal, per the 9er tek. It's dee-lishus.
Maybe some ground WBS? Makes sense. One Tbsp/pint of rice sounds good.

p.s. It's important to cook your additives with the rice.



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Edited by nunciate (04/14/05 11:02 PM)

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: nunciate]
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yeah, this method works much much better than using BRF/verm. on top of that, you can add stuff to the water when you steam your rice to imbue the rice with certain properties, EG. coffee, vitamins, whatever. brown rice is a insanely fast colonizer. ive gotten cakes colonized within 2 weeks, which with BRF/verm its taken up to 4 weeks, usually cause the damn cakes dry out at the top and get soggy on the bottom. while im on this topic, remember to steam your rice throughly so its full of water, but before you pack your jars, let the rice evaporate all the steam thats on it or else you'll get condensation in the jars and the bottoms will get soggy and slowly colonize, and create a haven for any rogue contam.

I cut my cakes in half at first, but they were too bulky for the container, so i ended up crumbling em. since not alot of people use straight brown rice (im using the addition of a small plant in my grow chamber BTW), ill post my results so us rice enthustiasts can see what crumblings effects are.

but to say the obvious, crumbling takes longer only because they have to restructure their network, but in the end you end up getting more per square inch of casing to fruit, and a more even fruit on top of that.

GL though, tell us of your results.

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: Abermelin]
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i'm going to proceed now with the whole brown rice grain topped with Verm. cook-CP-inoculate..etc. I think (just a guess) that 3-4 cakes crumbled would make a formidable substrate since it colonizes quick. I will post images if anyone spots something wrong or has any suggestions. BTW, probably should move this thread somewhere else. but hey, the more people see this the better. thanks a lot!

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: rtek]
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since the wgbr has to be cooked(boiled) would steam sterilization suffice, or would you only recommend it if a pc is available?

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: fufungi]
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well, steaming is only to make the rice, but you still have to pack it in jars and PC it to sterilize the whole container.

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: Abermelin]
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no I understand that. What I was asking is can the jars then be boiled (pf style) or does the rice have to be pc'ed like other grains?

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: fufungi]
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or does the rice have to be pc'ed like other grains?

It does.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: scatmanrav]
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excellent, thanks all

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: fufungi]
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This is what I accomplished today, I PC the jars for about an hour. please advice if anything is out of the ordinary.














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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: rtek]
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Looks good, but I highly advise you do not crumble your rice cakes into a casing. My experience with crumbling WGBR cakes has been pretty weak, but they'll really excel when cased whole.

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: Holydiver]
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Hmm I just did 3 quarts of brown rice, colonized incredibly quick BTW, and the chopped them all up and mixed them with 3 quarts of sterile moist verm and cased. Fruited it yesterday, comming up through the casing layer fine...we'll see how it fruits.

I got some in 1/2 pints and pints though that I plan on casing whole. They colonized incredibly quick too from spores...just mixed a little verm in when straining and packed it up to the lid, lid with tyvek over it just like normal then shot through both holes (1/2 cc each) and a bandaid over the holes. They're about 90-99% after 10 days now.. I see why you like it Diver..


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: scatmanrav]
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That's cool Scat, sounds like rez effect. I'm sure it will do fine, my experience with crumbling WGBR always sucked, but I didn't really do enough crumbling to give reliable results.

Yes, it is awesome stuff. What brand did you go with? I have had best results with Lundenberg's Nutrafarmed. Their organic is so-so but cubensis seem to love the nutrafarmed.

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: Holydiver]
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from what everybody's sayin, I probably shouldn't crumble..??

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: rtek]
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I do both hehe. I put full cakes into container to be cased so that you get as many in there as possible. Then take 1-3 cakes usually and crumble those to fill in the gaps not filled by the full cakes. Spread around, level, case, re incubate for 3 days, and fruit. I have had some pretty good results so far. Feel free to experiment if you want, everybody has their own ways of doing things. As long as your understanding of everything is good, and you maintain good sterile conditions, you would be surprised what you might do. My latest cool experiment was wbs/poo cakes lol. Good luck with your efforts.


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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: Underhillmaster]
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well this is what I got after 5 days of doing the procedure, this is my 1st time I think it's the mycelium growing there but anybody's judgement would greately be appreciated. now what do you think?






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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: rtek]
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Thats cubie mycelium and quite nice colonization for 5 days..BR is very good for that


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: Whole grain brown Rice Vs. ground powder rice [Re: scatmanrav]
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well, ive crumbeled mine for the first time, this is day 5, awesome mycellium growth on the substrate layer, but still no pinning. it took only about 5 days with a whole cake for the pinning to start. what sort of extra wait time am i looking at when crumbling the cakes?

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