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Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter.
    #3789872 - 02/16/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Imagine a fantastic apple, matter in space.
It is space in this apple?

Imagine a dried up dead dying, apple.
Less space in this apple, drained, no water, it is compressed.

If you took all the water, in a human, and squeezed it, out.
(Bear in mind, we are imagining?) :wink:

Would the squeezed out water drained human; contain the same amount of matter, as the dried out dead person? :P

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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Gomp]
    #3789887 - 02/16/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, a dried out dead person could very well mean: DUST

So i think the water drained human contains more matter than the dead.


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: exclusive58]
    #3789935 - 02/16/05 05:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

would a dried out dead person, conatine less space. than a water drained human?
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im thinking of mind, and space.. :P


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Gomp]
    #3790285 - 02/16/05 06:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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would a dried out dead person, conatine less space. than a water drained human?  :wink:




Either way, they are both gonna~ need some chapstick....  :smirk:

So, water = no matter....?

(what is the opposite of water....?)  :confused:

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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3791328 - 02/17/05 02:55 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yes, if the soul of a person has weight...? because a "squeezed out drained human" doesn't state that the human is dead. but a "dried out dead person" is dead. Therefore, if a soul has weight....the squeezed out person has more matter than a dried up dead person.

(assuming everything that has matter has weight and vis versa)

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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: uriahchase]
    #3791354 - 02/17/05 03:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If you were on the moon, chilling in a moon bar and you get your drink and when you pick it up you use way too much force because you didn't plan on your arm/drink weighing only 1/6th of what is normal, so you stop your arm abruptly to stop its advancement- the question is what happens to the liquid?


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #3791770 - 02/17/05 05:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Mind as empty space.. life is filling matter, less space, less life, more dense more life in other ways.. :P


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #3794120 - 02/17/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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If you were on the moon, chilling in a moon bar and you get your drink and when you pick it up you use way too much force because you didn't plan on your arm/drink weighing only 1/6th of what is normal, so you stop your arm abruptly to stop its advancement- the question is what happens to the liquid?


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Well, hhhhmmmmm....  That VERY question was asked just about 1 week ago by Zekebomb....  He was also in a bar - of a Hilton hotel on the moon....  Musta~ made a solid impression on you that wasn't taken lightly....  :smirk:

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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Gomp]
    #3794158 - 02/17/05 06:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Something can't contain space. It occupies an amount of space.

Regardless, the answer to your question depends on how long the person has been dead, whether one believes in souls or not.


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3794207 - 02/17/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i wouldnt be led to believe that a soul, in the notion as we can understand it, would take up any weight or space, it is more of a manifestation of thought, and thought does not take up space, for it is not physical matter, or is it, would this be the begining of an explanation fo rthe majority of the unknown category????

gomp, i think if you squeezed all of the water out of a human, that human, would be dead human, and therefore the answer of your question is yes, squeeze-dried human would take p the same amount of space as dead human, becuase squeeze-dried human, is dead.


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: incubaby_421]
    #3794257 - 02/17/05 06:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

not a single one in this thread even came close to touching what i was suggesting here. so I'll just rap it here, i guess its to early. :smile:

maybe next time :smile:

Edit* I now think, what i might have been suggesting was that alive = water, so I was wrong in what sated above, I think.. :P


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Gomp]
    #3794497 - 02/17/05 07:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Alan Stone said:
Something can't contain space. It occupies an amount of space.




Incorrect....  Within an atom itself, there is WAY WAY more empty space as opposed to the actual matter comprised within an atom - in a volumetric sense of measurement....  The nucleus makes up *most* of the mass, the electron field of orbit within the "empty space field" is ENORMOUS in comparison to the relative size to it's nucleus....    (Very comparable in model to a MUCH speeded up solar system - much space....)



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Gomp said:
not a single one in this thread even came close to touching what i was suggesting here. so I'll just rap it here, i guess its to early. :smile:

maybe next time :smile:




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Well, a dried out human would have less water, thus less weight....  And the solid matter would be more compact....  But if water was equal to solid matter in the size of it's structure, the space within the matter *would* remain equal - weather solid or liquid.... 

So, to prove my line of thought, make the water in the human a solid - freezer time....!    :evil:    The density of mass Vs. volumetric size would be the same (minus the expansion of ice)....  So, the space in the matter *should* be the same either way....  Eeehhh...?    With death there would be no bio-electrical currents flowing, but the same would happen if you dried a human....  The person would just have no spark....  :grin:

Maybe I am not understanding the question....?    Am I missing something...?    I would however like to know your twist or answer to your rhyme....    :yesnod:

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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3797494 - 02/18/05 09:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

wait!!!!!! NO TWO bodies are the same!!!!! so body A would wiegh different than body B wether dried up dead or squeezed.


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3798651 - 02/18/05 03:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Incorrect.... Within an atom itself, there is WAY WAY more empty space as opposed to the actual matter comprised within an atom - in a volumetric sense of measurement.... The nucleus makes up *most* of the mass, the electron field of orbit within the "empty space field" is ENORMOUS in comparison to the relative size to it's nucleus.... (Very comparable in model to a MUCH speeded up solar system - much space....)



I know, but regardless of that simple high school lesson, space is not a component of matter. Matter is superimposed on the space-time continuum, not made of it.


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3799947 - 02/18/05 08:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Alan Stone said:
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Incorrect.... Within an atom itself, there is WAY WAY more empty space as opposed to the actual matter comprised within an atom - in a volumetric sense of measurement.... The nucleus makes up *most* of the mass, the electron field of orbit within the "empty space field" is ENORMOUS in comparison to the relative size to it's nucleus.... (Very comparable in model to a MUCH speeded up solar system - much space....)



I know, but regardless of that simple high school lesson, space is not a component of matter. Matter is superimposed on the space-time continuum, not made of it.






All right, lets keep your space time continuum, and let me ask a question (or two, or three).... 
Maybe I have an idea with validity, maybe I don't....    Either way, I will play by your "rules"....  :grin:

OK, so you got an atom all spinning around in it's self contained orbit in the time space thingy~ (:grin:)....  What happens to those atoms when you take them ALL the way down to a temperature of absolute zero Kelvin.....?    Wouldn't the atoms theoretically STOP moving...?  Wouldn't this pretty much expose the actual "space" within that matter (within the time space continuum).... 

***IF*** this was a possibility, wouldn't the particles themselves become a more compact form of matter (not having the super-sized electron "bubble" orbit's volume to deal with)....?  Perhaps the atom would simply fall apart or shatter like a rose dipped in liquid nitrogen....? 

***IF*** this was possible, you now have free particles of matter only taking up the actual space they consist of (within the time space continuum)....  IF all of these particles were to start to gather, the mass Vs. size would be fuggin heavy & TINY - to say the least (:smirk:)....  Right....?  OK, so now this matter starts to heat up just a lil bit....  Wouldn't the collected HEAVY and TINY "spaceless" particles start making a gravitational force that would be stronger than any other gravitational force that we humans know of (in theory?)....?  Every other atom drawn to it would collapse under the pressure, and the ACTUAL space within an atom would be no more.... 

Perhaps this is what makes a "black-hole"....?  I don't know the theories behind those....  HHhhhmmmm.....  :confused:

I dunno~, another train of thought that hit me just now - that might be flawed as heck....  I only took introductory to physical science back when I was in high school....  So, by all means, PLEASE correct or validate my idea/thought.... 

(No sarcasm intended (besides the "space time continuum" thingy~....))  :grin:  :tongue:

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Edit:  "compact" was mispelled as "compatible" somehow - changed "idea" with one wrong word...!?


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3803529 - 02/19/05 04:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"Wouldn't the atoms theoretically STOP moving...? "
Yeah.

"***IF*** this was a possibility, wouldn't the particles themselves become a more compact form of matter (not having the super-sized electron "bubble" orbit's volume to deal with)....? Perhaps the atom would simply fall apart or shatter like a rose dipped in liquid nitrogen....?"
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. The question was never raised in my high school career or in my one year of uni chemistry. So I can't continue this idea, for lack of certainty of the premise.


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Re: Matter in Space, is, Space in Matter. [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3803850 - 02/19/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps it is coldness that does take space out of matter, and matter out of space....? 

HHhhmmmm.....

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