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Underlying Message of Morals
    #3769271 - 02/12/05 01:17 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Morals are regarded as standards of right and wrong actions. To act morally is to do what is considered right, and to act immorally is to do what is considered wrong. This is obviously common knowledge.

Yet not even looking at other species, which have extremely alien actions and personalities (and are therefore often considered inferior, without feelings or viewed simply good sources to slaughter for meat or keep caged for milk or eggs), we can just look at other cultures. In past civilizations of only centuries, cannibalism and human sacrifices were common, and sometimes people even felt honored to be the victims of the sacrifice. They were held in extremely high esteem by the rest of the culture, and the thought of sacrificing them as immoral didn't come along until we sat back and judged the now extinct people.

If morals are so variable, and right and wrong, moral and immoral, and change over only a few centuries, only over a few hundred miles from country to country, what is the underlying message? How do morals come about? For there is a reason, very simply, why there are such differences in what many humans think of as permanent, universal, and commonly regarded.

The moral standard is simply "Do what everyone else wishes you to do." Whether this is hundreds of years ago, or across the world, or in your own town, morals are all based off of doing what the populace of your area, society as a whole, wants you to do. There is no right and wrong other than what others regard as right and wrong in their time and place, and like all subjective concepts based on a simple time and place, it is a fading illusion that will probably not be around in a few years. Morals are simply societal fads.

Like all tyranny of the majority, do you really need to follow them? Why should you listen to the foolish, often harmful, messages branded into your mind, simply because your society says that is what they wish for you to do? The same society who says that people should get years in prison for exploring their mind also tells you what is good and what is evil, so why follow what doesn't exist except in propaganda and social taboos?


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Re: Underlying Message of Morals [Re: Ravus]
    #3769298 - 02/12/05 01:22 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"The moral standard is simply "Do what everyone else wishes you to do."

The moral standard IS: Do what your heart tells you is right. That is operating from the 7th level of moral development.


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Re: Underlying Message of Morals [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3769316 - 02/12/05 01:26 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

So, it's the heart I should be listening to? And to think all this time I've been listening to the wrong organ!


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Re: Underlying Message of Morals [Re: Silversoul]
    #3769327 - 02/12/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

There is a merit to that, but it is not based on higher moral standards. Read about a concept called the "id".


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Re: Underlying Message of Morals [Re: Silversoul]
    #3769357 - 02/12/05 01:33 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
So, it's the heart I should be listening to?  And to think all this time I've been listening to the wrong organ!




ha ha ha! Isn't that the organ that the need for morality 'sprang" from anyway? :confused:


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Re: Underlying Message of Morals [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3769362 - 02/12/05 01:34 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Eh, probably.


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Re: Underlying Message of Morals [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3769417 - 02/12/05 01:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

There certainly is no objective moral code by which to live - morals are a human invention that are used as a tool in our interactions with other humans, sometimes even as a way to excite power, to influence the actions of others to benefit yourself.

The thought of an objective moral code by which all are to act does not hold any merit to me, and any subjective moral code only influences how an individual acts. Essentially, morals only carry as much weight as they are allowed to carry. Does holding an identifiable, conscious moral by which one would consider when they act with others actually help us, or does it actually seperate ourself from those who we interact with?

I'd suggest interacting with others in a more natural, personal way - just like taking a breath of air, which is an action that does not carry with it any need for mental distinctions (one doesn't have to consider the proper way to breathe).

But, having noted this.... sometimes a person does not breathe properly, or hold themself in a more correct posture ("correct" in terms of the intended position a body is to be held in, which is evidenced by the body itself), and they have to consciously change how they breathe or how they posture their body. Sometimes it is necessary to consciously analzye and consider how one is acting so that they can change how they act, as they are intending to grow.

So, as you might see, reflecting on morals, their usage, the ramifications of their use, etc. etc. etc. encompasses a hell of a lot. :grin: Morals simply are as they are, and are used as they are used, towards whatever end one intends. I do believe it is important, of course, to note that morals do not exist in any objective form, and it is impossible to impose one set of moral code onto every human being and every interaction between humans. It is all relative. :grin:

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