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Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality
    #917260 - 09/29/02 06:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

When does a wrong become permissible? When does wrong become right?

When the majority says so?

When it's the law?

When your government says so?

During a war?

When your pastor says so?

When your girlfriend or wife says so?

When you have no risk of getting caught?

When you are ordered to do something?

When you're under the influence of a mind altering substance?

When you're angry?

When you feel that you've been wronged?

Why do so many people consistently fail to apply their own moral standards out of convenience? Why do they hold their leaders to a lower moral standard than they do their own children or their spouses? Why do they endorse by proxy or delegate actions that they as individuals would deem immoral acts? Why do acts which for an individual would be considered a sin, when endorsed by the majority and/or performed by a government become morally permissible? Why are these not considered to be hypocrisy except by a relatively few individuals such as myself?


Edited by Anonymous (09/29/02 06:50 PM)


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: ]
    #917303 - 09/29/02 07:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

WHy oh why oh why...
Yessuh!!

I think these questions require your definitions of man and beast.
You see, I don't expect much morality from my dog or for any other animal.  My definition of a man would include some form of meta-awareness (being aware that you're aware)... a beast lacks such meta-awareness.

I have to say though... I don't have a moral calculus.  I can't give you a written-in-stone guide for my behavioral code.  Although it seems irrational NOW... when I have to make a moral decision, I just feel out the situation and act/choose.  To understand my morality, you'd have to hang out with me rather than just accept some written summary of it.  BAH... you already know what I'm talking about. :wink: 


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: ]
    #917316 - 09/29/02 07:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hey bro, enough with the piercing questions. Morals are something that you apply to someone else when you are desirous of controlling their behavior.

"My drugs are good; yours are evil."

"We kill for freedom; you kill for terror."

...and so on.


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: Swami]
    #917422 - 09/29/02 07:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

great post, you are waking up. Stay as relaxed as you can and try not to let that evolving mind get the best of you. Meditation my friend, come from within.


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Edited by ViBrAnT (09/29/02 07:57 PM)


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: ]
    #917621 - 09/29/02 09:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Great questions Evolving!

Todd Rundgren says:

Oh the law is the law
For no man wrote the law
They who would change the law just abuse it
Oh the law is the law
There is no justice outside the law
But if you know the law, you can use it

If you will, then you will
For nothing can withstand your will
As your faith is so you are
Where your mind is there you are
Just as action follows thought
You can be whole again
Be healed again
And make your body follow

You are thy flesh and flesh will obey
You are thy flesh and flesh must obey

Whoa your life is your life
No one else can live your life
And the debts of your life
You must pay them
If a man knows the law
He gets help from the law
Only fools fear the law that can save them


Cheers,


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #918425 - 09/30/02 02:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

great post, you are waking up. Stay as relaxed as you can and try not to let that evolving mind get the best of you.

You're preaching to the priest, bub.


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: Sclorch]
    #918441 - 09/30/02 02:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ouch!


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: Sclorch]
    #919104 - 09/30/02 11:10 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I think these questions require your definitions of man and beast.
You see, I don't expect much morality from my dog or for any other animal. My definition of a man would include some form of meta-awareness (being aware that you're aware)... a beast lacks such meta-awareness.



I assumed it was a given the morals apply to human beings, well that's what I meant. 
Morals do require a sense of self and a sense of a being seperate from your fellow human.  Morals have little or no meaning outside of interaction with others.  I don't want to get off on a tangent, but here are a couple things to think about... Wouldn't a total loss of ego also include a loss of a moral sense?  If you are at one with the universe, couldn't you treat yourself anyway you desire on a whim with no worries about moral implications?

Quote:

I have to say though... I don't have a moral calculus. I can't give you a written-in-stone guide for my behavioral code. Although it seems irrational NOW... when I have to make a moral decision, I just feel out the situation and act/choose. To understand my morality, you'd have to hang out with me rather than just accept some written summary of it. BAH... you already know what I'm talking about.



Yes, I expected something similar to this from you based on psychic vibrations I picked up through the ether as you were reading my post. :cool:


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Re: Conditional/Elastic/Convenient Morality [Re: Swami]
    #919157 - 09/30/02 11:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

Morals are something that you apply to someone else when you are desirous of controlling their behavior.



Not per definition, but I sense you're actually echoing my point about hypocrisy. An example: Let's take a subset of the population who are against the death penalty and have strong partisan political leanings. If you asked them if it's wrong to kill an innocent human, they would most likely say 'yes.' But when their governmental leaders that they voted for take actions which result in the deaths of innocent people many of them don't bat an eye and in fact vote for re-electing the individuals. The killings have no (apparent) moral implications. (I personally know a few people for who this scenario is applicable).


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