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Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms!
    #373845 - 08/17/01 10:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Someday somebody is going to do this! How many here have tried to figure out a design for a chamber that could grow weed and shrooms at the same time? At first glance it really makes sence, after all plants convert carbin dioxide into oxygen and fungus do the opposite. And plants and 'shroms grow together in nature just fine. But everytime that I have a "brain-fart" about how to acomplish this I realize a serious flaw in the idea. There has to be a way of doing this. If someone can just find a way of controlling the enviroment well enough I'm sure that they could make a small fortune via High Times magazine. I have a lot of ideas of where to start with this, however for now I'm more curious about other member's ideas and opinions. So folks, any input on this design challenge? All opinions (except negative ones - haha) are wellcomed.



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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #373929 - 08/18/01 02:13 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Often you need a dehumidifier in a pot growroom to prevent fungi/diseases, mushrooms need an extremely humid environment, it would never work. Now the two side by side in seperate rooms with the air being filtered between the two rooms would work if it was worthwhile.



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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #373986 - 08/18/01 06:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Weed does nogrow well under humid condition it grows v tall and streaky
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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #374143 - 08/18/01 03:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Plants and Fungi grow very well together in nature. However, this is at the root level.

Mycorrhiza are fungi that have a symbiotic relationship with plants. Symbiotic, meaning they help each other. Basically, Mycorrhiza exist at the root level of plants. Mycorrhiza offers several benefits to the host plant, including faster growth, improved nutrition, greater drought resistance, and protection from pathogens. The fungus obtains photosynthetically derived carbon compounds from the plant.

Above ground, or in a room together, fungi and plants would not be a good match at all. Microbes in the soil of the plant would contaminate the substrate of the fungus. Nematodes and other critters from the soil would wreak havoc on the fungal substrate... Not to mention the previously stated conflict with humidity levels.

I remember all this from college, but a simple search on the internet turned up more detailed info.

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #374169 - 08/18/01 04:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have a buddy who has a cabinet system for his plants. There is a top compartment which is used for veg cycle and a large bottom compartment for fruiting cycle(compartments split 70/30 big/small). Both compartments can be sealed off from light(totally light tight) when needed. There are inline fans and ducting all over the place to circulate air and keep the plants cool from the lights. I was thinking that instead of the HPS HID's he has in the top, he could put a flourescent in and have mushrooms growing in a terrarium. I guess the type of light wouldn't matter, but those HID's put out a lot of heat, and drive up the elec. bill big time. With an air pump and an exhaust port out of the terrarium into the lower compartment, he could pump the CO2 onto the plants. The large amount of air circulation would keep humidity down for the plants, but the humidity in the terrarium will remain high. The air pump would take in fresh air with lots of 02 for the shrooms. I guess a Coolmist or some other type of humidifier could provide the humid air and the air pump, but that would only increase the amount of humidity that needs to be dissipated for the plants. I think the perlite tek with a large fish tank pump would work well. That way, you still get the CO2 flushed from the terrarium, but the plants don't get overwhelmed with humidity. Symbiotic relationship.

Edited by djRetox on 08/18/01 04:07 PM.



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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: djRetox]
    #374462 - 08/19/01 09:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Retox, I really like this idea since I'm planning of building a grow box for
cannabis myself. The cannabis box and the shroom chamber wouldn't
have to be on in the same system, just connected with two air pumps,
one sucking air from the plants to shrooms and one carbondioxide from
shrooms to plants. Since carbon dioxide is heavier than air it should be sucked from the bottom of the cannabis box to the top of the shroom box
and the air from the top of the shroom box to the bottom of the cannabis box ... or?

This idea is so wicked I'm in love with it!

Does anyone have any idea if the amounts produced by cannabis and
shrooms are equivalent so that it would benefit both, ie, do shrooms
maybe produce so little of the carbon dioxide that it's no good for cannabis?

eos

Edited by Eos on 08/19/01 08:21 AM.

Edited by Eos on 08/19/01 08:26 AM.



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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Eos]
    #376224 - 08/22/01 09:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Actually nematodes would not wreak too much havoc on the mushrooms.

Cubensis are "nematode lasooers"

They have these little loops of mycellia that when a nematode slithers through the loop the loop tightens and catches the nematode.

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #376551 - 08/22/01 06:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I could be very very wrong...probably am...but i think you would need ALOT of shrooms growing in order for the co2 build up to benifit the plant substantially... now the oxygen from the plant i can see helping the shrooms a great deal...but come one guys, is that worth all the damn trouble...not to mention the HUGE amount of "trouble potential" that would always be waiting for one little mistake to start the chain and possibly ruin everything...

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: djRetox]
    #376765 - 08/23/01 12:33 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I was thinking along simular lines as djRetox is. Obviosly there has to be some kind of seperation of the two enviroments, either phisicly or perhaps with enough distance and the right airflow (would seem to result in a larger chamber).

I want to point out to the user's that seem to think that this is a follish waste of time that EVERY INVENTOR receives these lame-ass "just give it up" excuses all of the time. I have invented other things before (non subject related) and allways had the nay-sayers on my back. Then when they see what I came up with it's like "wow, how did you think of that?" Ya want to know how to invent new things? BY IGNOREING SUCH IGNORANT EXCUSES NOT TO GO FORWARD IN OUR LIFES BY CONSTANTLY CHALLENGEING WHAT OTHERS ACEPT AS UNCHANGEABLE. Shesh, when will people learn? For years people thought that the PF Teck. was stupid because it seem too easy. And what is consider the norm "Teck" now-adays? Thomas Edison had the same situation. If we just sit back and acepted everything all of the time, we would still be wearing animal skins, eating tree bark and fearing walking off of the side of the flat earth. Please give me a break here, this is the advance cultivation forum, not the "Why bother dude" forum. Yes it's "worth it" guys. Thanks for the support.

To those that have takeing a serious interest: The challenge is to have the most effiecent chamber that can be used for both purposes. I have been thinking that perhaps a verticle style system (shrooms on the bottom, plants above) that have a clear piece of plexy glass between the two with a small amount of free air exchange in the middle (a circle-er hole cut around the base of the plants) that would allow some air from the fungus to be drawn above to the plants via small fan would be a place to start. As far as the heat from the bulb(s) a piece of glass between the bulb and the chamber with an exaust fan would keep most of the heat away. That would allow another fan/port combination to filter the air between the fungus and plants. Of corse a lot of testing would be needed, or at least a run thru a CAD type engineering program to see what sizes/types and dimensions to make everything would be needed.

Also, perhaps something that utilizes extremely small plants could be used. If one buds the plants from seed that would simply grow into one single bud, and would be extremely compact. Imangine a standard fungus terarium, like the PF Teck design that used a small fan to quicky filter the sprayed humid air to the fungus side, while a tiny minature wick hydro system was in the other side with a budding light on a 12 hour cycle from seed.... anyway these are just ideas at this stage.

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #376772 - 08/23/01 12:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

shrooms on the bottom would not be a good idea because the produce co2 wich is heavier than o2 and would suffocate the shrooms.

also IMHO having an o2 generator contributing to a shrooms air supply might have negative effects so that would have to be taken into account.

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #377189 - 08/23/01 05:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Its not an issue of the chamber being to strange or different to pursue, its an issue of the chamber being to impractical to pursue..t edison was like "wow i think ill figue out a way to make elictric light work" because working electric lights would be very practical much safer than gas.I just think that you would need to have 20 pounds of shrooms growing to support the needs of 4 plants.and that my friend is not practical...its not better either..a co2 tank sytem that can totally support the plants is way better and probably cheaper in the long run than growing a million shrooms.BUT....

In my opinion the absolute best "chamber" sytem for bud is SCROG SCReen Of Green...NOT SOG Sea Of Green...I have rather detailed plans for an 8 ft tall 2 ft by 2ft cabinet that is hydro...the top 4 ft for buding and the bottom half being two two foot tall chambers...top one for hydro res and bottom for mothers and clones...if this same chamber was 4x4x8 you would have plenty of room in the bottom for a wicked shroom terrium that would be completly segregated from the buds...ive uh....SEEN one before and this space was storage for stuff...then its just a matter of air entrainment...allthough a cool mist somehow in the bud chamber would pump oxygenated humid air to the shrromies....like i said b4 i dont know if it would be worth trying to get air from shroomies to buds....but an air pump pumping air(from shroomies) to maybe a 2 1/2 gallon jug (or some other container with a spout) with a layer of dessicant then out to buds may remove excess moisture and be easy to drain....and an inline air filter(i just found a cheap supply of em 5 bucks for 4,medical grade, www.sciplus.com) could be used just to keep the buds safe from fungus and possible contams... The SCROG method is basically growing buds with a chicken wire screen about 10 inches above the pot that the plants are in...they get trained to grow flat to the screen until the screen is totally covered, then the buds are trained up through the holes in the wire and it looks like a sweet nugget pine forrest ,VERY efficient....about the only way to get "GOOD" buds out of flouros...but is of course better with HID lighting....If any of you want the plans for the box (tyhe two by two one) i would be happy to email em to ya...if enough people are interested ill make some up of uh my friends box(the four by four one) pm me....

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Giga_Funk]
    #377596 - 08/24/01 05:57 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I just wanted to apoligize for my previous reference of the "PF Teck"- (sorry, ' still learning- haha)

I meant to type "PF TEK"-

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Giga_Funk]
    #380794 - 08/28/01 05:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

This system is not impractical at all. I've used a CO2 tank system before with plants and the amount of gas that it puts out is barely even detectable, on top of that, you have to set it up on a timer(1/2 hr on, 1hr off) so its not even expelling CO2 all the time. And that was for a 750 cu. ft room. If you were using the cabinet system that I mentioned in a previous post, you'd need even less. Granted, just growing out two or three cakes isn't gonna produce enough C02 to saturate the envronment for the plants, but that doesn't mean you have to grow copious amounts of shrooms in bulk. Another thing, for the people that are interested in developing a dual purpose system, its not about whats cheaper. They are going to grow both anyway, why not find a way to make it beneficial to both parties. I've grown with the SCROG method before, but I didn't have much luck. That was due to a number of other factors and not that tek. I've seen some beautiful budding with that method and I agree that its one of the most efficient ways of growing and probably THE most efficient ways to grow with very small amounts of space, especially if you top the plants every few nodes. I would STRONGLY recommend that you make the switch to HID's instead of flouros. Even with only a 150 HPS, you'll see a world of difference. You wouldn't need to go bigger than a 270 HPS (son agro) with that small amount of space. One more thing, I think the HPS are better than MH for full time use. You could switch from MH to HPS when you go from veg cycle to budding cycle, but that would get very expensive. The HPS is better for the budding cycle, but still provides more than enough light(lumens) for veg. thats my 2 cents



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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Giga_Funk]
    #428233 - 10/17/01 08:03 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I would like to receive the plans for this box

Its not an issue of the chamber being to strange or different to pursue, its an issue of the chamber being to impractical to pursue..t edison was like "wow i think ill figue out a way to make elictric light work" because working electric lights would be very practical much safer than gas.I just think that you would need to have 20 pounds of shrooms growing to support the needs of 4 plants.and that my friend is not practical...its not better either..a co2 tank sytem that can totally support the plants is way better and probably cheaper in the long run than growing a million shrooms.BUT....

In my opinion the absolute best "chamber" sytem for bud is SCROG SCReen Of Green...NOT SOG Sea Of Green...I have rather detailed plans for an 8 ft tall 2 ft by 2ft cabinet that is hydro...the top 4 ft for buding and the bottom half being two two foot tall chambers...top one for hydro res and bottom for mothers and clones...if this same chamber was 4x4x8 you would have plenty of room in the bottom for a wicked shroom terrium that would be completly segregated from the buds...ive uh....SEEN one before and this space was storage for stuff...then its just a matter of air entrainment...allthough a cool mist somehow in the bud chamber would pump oxygenated humid air to the shrromies....like i said b4 i dont know if it would be worth trying to get air from shroomies to buds....but an air pump pumping air(from shroomies) to maybe a 2 1/2 gallon jug (or some other container with a spout) with a layer of dessicant then out to buds may remove excess moisture and be easy to drain....and an inline air filter(i just found a cheap supply of em 5 bucks for 4,medical grade, www.sciplus.com) could be used just to keep the buds safe from fungus and possible contams... The SCROG method is basically growing buds with a chicken wire screen about 10 inches above the pot that the plants are in...they get trained to grow flat to the screen until the screen is totally covered, then the buds are trained up through the holes in the wire and it looks like a sweet nugget pine forrest ,VERY efficient....about the only way to get "GOOD" buds out of flouros...but is of course better with HID lighting....If any of you want the plans for the box (tyhe two by two one) i would be happy to email em to ya...if enough people are interested ill make some up of uh my friends box(the four by four one) pm me....

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #428292 - 10/17/01 11:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why not a cabinet setup just large enough to house a hydra-pod and a couple of plants? Hell, lots of people use the cabinet system anyways. All they have to do is cut back on a couple of plants and set a hydra-pod in.

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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: ]
    #428593 - 10/17/01 06:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hell, I belive that shrooms can easily grow at the base of plants WITH proper air movement. If one can churn the co2 from the bottom to the upper it can be down. Shroom Wizzard has a method where one sprays the casting and the 'rooms can pretty much stay in the open air. So a system that could automaticly spray the mycelium just enough AND enough fans to kick the co2 up to the highest level of the plants seems very possible to me. Naturally an exhust fan would have to be used as well. There is no doubt in my mind now that this can be done. It's only a matter of time.


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Re: Grow Chamber for Weed and 'Shrooms! [Re: Jammer]
    #13613498 - 12/10/10 05:58 PM (6 years, 2 days ago)

I grow them togehther!!

In my veg.Room, i use the warm from the lamps, to germinate and colonizise glasses with grain.
I have a regal and in the highest place, there stand the glasses and the Buckets or boxes, which have to be fully colonizes(i grow on Straw and Manure). Its about 28-32C° up there.

When their grown through, i place them on the ground or in the Blossomroom where already 25C° are and the lamps shine on it. And let the cubes grow.

I do this just for two month now, and I think its a nice extra harvest for the energycosts i have.

Maybe it just works for the cubes well, and for special shrooms like the Pans it will not be so easely. Maybe. I testing it at the moment.

As I dry the first harvest, the cubes put out a lot of spores while drying. I washed these spores out and used this water for my small plants. Maybe some of them germinate and grow in the soil and maybe someday i have some Cubes under my ladies. The temperatur should be right - 25C°.

We well seeeeee.

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    #13613983 - 12/10/10 05:58 PM (6 years, 2 days ago)

This thread has been closed.

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This was off topic in advanced mycology nine years ago when it was first posted.
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