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bruising as a potency indicator
    #3658737 - 01/21/05 04:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

is the extent (and speed?) of bruising an indication of shroom potency? I see very little bruising on my "old cake" shrooms
( must have been at least four flushes but hard to keep track)
if potency varies as much as I suspect over time and
even within the same flush - dosing chart becomes very inaccurate - any ideas how to assess potency before ingestion?


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: sillyCyban2]
    #3658762 - 01/21/05 04:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Good Q, have the same. First flush bruised like hell, later flushes lot less.
I was wondering if first are more potent.


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3659059 - 01/21/05 05:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

IMHO second and third flushes ae the most potent, but as for the brusing Q, I have no idea


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: penlight438094]
    #3659283 - 01/21/05 05:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It can be a rough indicator of potency, but not absolute. For example, a shroom (or strain of shrooms) that bruises darker than another is not necessarily more potent....


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: KlingonFromUranus]
    #3659290 - 01/21/05 06:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what aboout 2 shrooms of the same strain


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: sillyCyban2]
    #3659738 - 01/21/05 07:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The bluing reaction is an idicator that psilocin is present (or was), nothing more. Psilocybin is not so easily broken down. To have only one of the alkaloids responsible for the bluing reaction be an idicator of potency is one of the most unreliable and ignorant things I have ever heard of...


IMO (and IME) is is not even a rough indicator...


There is no way to determine potency before ingestion. You just have to eat em (or brew em, whatever is your cup o tea) and find out. The dosage calculator should be a good starting point...


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: ATWAR]
    #3660688 - 01/21/05 10:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

my question about bruising was at least an honest one - I don't appreciate it being called the "most ignorant thing I have ever heard"
by someone that can't even spell "indicator"


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator *DELETED* *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: sillyCyban2]
    #3660719 - 01/21/05 10:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: Holydiver]
    #3661031 - 01/21/05 11:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This is a question that has been brought up over and over again. The debate will rage on forever. However, I think I outlined the reason why this is not a reliable indicator, as it is only a single alkaloid that is responsible for the reaction (presumably an enzyme acting upon psilocin). My statement that this is an ignorant idea was not meant to be taken as an insult to any one person, it was meant to emphasize my opinion on the theory that is upheld by many people...


Attacking my spelling and grammar skills is a low blow that speaks very much about the character of the both of you. The fact that I left out a single letter is an honest mistake that should not be held against me to lower my qualifications for participating in this discussion. There are many people here from foreign countries that do not speak English, so their grammar is generally very poor. Does this mean that they should not participate in discussions until they have mastered the language? A personal attack upon me adds nothing but more ignorance to this discussion.


@ sillyCyban2:
I think you should review your own post before you criticize mine. At least I included proper capitalization and punctuation. Your question was an honest one, and my answer was an honest one. Take it as you will, but I believe I am allowed to express my opinion.


@ HolyDiver:
I am no sir.


Now, would you care to add something useful to this thread, or continue the personal attacks?


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: ATWAR]
    #3661036 - 01/21/05 11:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing to add, but I am deleting my post mostly due to its childishness nature.  However, your post was easily interpreted as calling out another member for making an "ignorant post" when in fact it wasn't, but I think you see how that was possible,  so it's all good. :smile:


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: Holydiver]
    #3662396 - 01/22/05 12:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I apologize for criticizing grammar - incorrect grammar
certainly does not make someone unqualified to post an opinon or experience.
I would suggest that it would be better call a theory
or a speculation "incorrect" rather than label it as "ignorant"
(which might be taken as a personal insult).
I agree fully that this discussion should involve the
sharing of knowledge and not anything on a personal level.


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    #5476456 - 04/03/06 10:18 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5476679 - 04/03/06 11:09 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Mine were blue as hell and had horrible shitty potency.


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: Atheist]
    #5477330 - 04/04/06 01:37 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I find it difficult to believe that there are no tests that exist to determine the amount of psilocin in a given mushroom.

Theres gotta be somethin.....!


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: mick]
    #5477543 - 04/04/06 02:28 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Probably a really rare and expensive machine.  Agar, if you wouldn't mind showing us a picture... :grin:


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: Solidcell]
    #5478668 - 04/04/06 12:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

You can pick up a little used chemical analyzer for a few grand.


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5478751 - 04/04/06 01:14 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

or you can break into a university's orgo lab at night...remember to vent UNDERNEATH the hood! Acid on your chin sucks


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Re: bruising as a potency indicator [Re: ebass]
    #5479837 - 04/04/06 06:55 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

1. ATWAR, equilibrium dude. Since the psilocybin and psilocin seem to be produced by the organism in approximately the same action sequence then wouldn?t it suggest that if you have more of one then you would have more of the other?

2. Yes, it can be used as an indicator of potency. If it doesn?t bruise blue, specifically on the bottom where you cut it, then you probably won?t trip on it. An example would be the 7th flush I managed to squeeze out of a casing recently. Got a little more than a quarter dried and it all did nothing to me; with no blue bruising. Or, another example is that my 2nd and 3rd flushes ALWAYS bruise darker (almost black) than my 1st and are ALWAYS stronger.

If you?re experience with a specific strain on a specific medium in your normal growing chamber then I would consider the color of the cut stem a VERY EXCELLENT indicator of potency.

And this isn?t directed at anyone but I just wanted to remind the form that IGNORANCE is NOT ASKING A QUESTION (or putting one down) rather than asking one someone *cough cough* obviously doesn?t have experience with but feels compelled to comment anyways.


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