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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Hendostan]
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Hendostan said:
industry thrives on short term profits, and being short sighted when it comes to the environment is always wrong.


that is really what i was trying to sya, good job.

i dont disagree with logging completely, but i do completely disagree with the way they are currently doing it (at least in BC).


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: kadakuda]
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I disagree with logging completely,there is no longer a need for any kind of wood products.

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Cosm]
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theres never any "need", but it is going to be a rough conversion if we keep on the path we are. lets face it, construction workers are not going to be converting to hemp and soy or whatever building materials. in generalk they are so fucking stuborn, closed minded, and lazy that it just wont fly. fuck they still arnt using metric, what does that tell you?

but i agree, just too bad it probably wont happen for a while.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: kadakuda]
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construction workers aren't the ones who decide what materials they will use to build a building. show me a commercially-viable wood substitute for construction. who is making hemp 2x4's right now?

what is your area of expertise? is it forestry? sustainable agriculture? construction? engineering? materials science? how come you know so much about all this?

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: ]
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i'm a forestry student...i don't claim to know about construction, engineering, or the logging business..i just know how unhealthy practicing of these things affects ecosystems..well i shouldn't say "i know"..I'm learning. no one knows all of anything, we're always constantly learning, constantly changing, like the land. from what i've seen, industry tends to be static instead of changing and adapting to fit new knowledge and information. we are a part of the land, not apart from it...aldo leopold :thumbup:

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Annapurna1]
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It's ridiculous to say that Bush is waging a war on the Env.

I'm in now way a supporter of him, but you can't blame him for the things that are done by corporations around the globe. Regardless of whether a president is a dem. or a rep., that fact is, the environment is almost always on the back burner.

It has been the same agenda of crying about the environment and then doing nothing about it for as long as we've been industrialized. I think it's a bit of a reach to blame Bush for how shitty we treat the environment.

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Annapurna1]
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"ecological warfare" generally refers to militant activity in support of the natural ecosystem.

i'm not understanding what you're suggesting. do you believe that bush, if he believes that global warming is a fact at all, thinks that it is to be intentionally persued for military power, political advantage, satisfaction of cruel, republican meany urges, etc.? or is it just an unfortunate side-effect from march of business and industry?

what exactly do you mean by "ecological warfare"?

war against the ecosystem?
warfare employing ecological damage as a weapon?

what?

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: ]
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im in construction. and ys ultimatly no the workers do not choose in teh final decision. but believe me they are the main reason whats used is used. if the guys dont like a product and bitch about, it probably is NOT going to be used....the boss understands speed and money. when your work force likes and understands a product than it is financially retarded to not use it.

alternatives are not there yet. there are some but not financially viable. there are plastic and steel boards that are getting more used here. mining and production of steel studs isnt that environmentally great though.

anything from alternative power, to plasic shutters, to types of paints. tehres lots that can be done. dont have to go as extreme as a hemp house with dirt floors or anything. baby steps.


now i should admit i know little about bush and his environmental record in the states. but if i may explain how the government, in canada, effects teh forests. here, in bc, it is mostly crown land that is logged. so ultimatly its the government who decides if its logged or not. certain regulations and stumpage fees make it easier or harder to log certain areas and species. the bc liberals have made it easier to log. ie slashing stumpage fees from teh previous ndp costs.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: kadakuda]
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plastic requires petroleum and petrochemicals processing. steel, as you mentioned, isn't very eco-friendly either.

we need to be realistic here. tree timber is a renewable natural resource and there are responsible ways to make use of it. clear-cutting leads to erosion and habitat destruction, but logging isn't necessarily evil. trees can be farmed like any other plant. it just needs to be done in a way that is sustainable.

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: ]
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adn that i agree with. but it is not happening despite waht people are trying to do. its easy to brush off people and call them dirty hippies and never give another thought to it.

about plastic. there are companies here that make plastic boards from recycled plastic (liek bags, milk jugs, cleaner jugs etc). problem is tehy dont put out much.

when you look at what a lot of the sheeting is on houses you could easily imagine using hemp or somthing as an alternative. OSB is jsut chunks of wood glued together (glues wouldnt be good either, but maybe theres some kin dof good lasting hemp glue or somthing). shit the whole roof is usually OSB so theres a lot of material there. i know one could say that they are jsut recycling the junk wood from trees, but here they take everything. they use full smaller trees for this. we are VERY wastefull in our logging and that is the first thing that needs to be stopped. but with things like the softwood lumber and raw log bullshit its going to be a long and rough road. so here we could say that yes bush is terrorizing the environment.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: kadakuda]
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The thing is, people blame Bush so they don't have to take responsiblity for their actions that affect the environment. It's easier to say that he has a shitty env. policy (which I won't disagree with) than to man up and do something about what is happening.

One could recycle, conserve water, buy recycled good, etc., etc; but most find it simpler to place blame somewhere else. I'm not pointing to you specifically, b/c I don't know you; but I think the greatest step to solving some env. problems starts at the individual.

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Redstorm]
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you are 100% correct. i try and do my part, i recycle we got some good water conservation going on, dont use much power, compost etc. all the easy steps. i also believe that education is key. but preaching tends to drive people away, much like school does.

steve irwin said it best. "People want to save what they love......continues to go on about trying to get people to love crocodiles"


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Redstorm]
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The thing is, people blame Bush so they don't have to take responsiblity for their actions that affect the environment. It's easier to say that he has a shitty env. policy (which I won't disagree with) than to man up and do something about what is happening.


but is it also possible..as the link suggests..that bush is deliberately trying to trigger an ice age and/or otherwise damage the environment..in hopes that our global rivals will suffer more?...


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Annapurna1]
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If you believe this, you also must believe all the other conspiracy theories out there. I don't think anyone wants to see an ice age, it won't benefit anyone.

There's really no reason Bush would be threatened. It's not like we have a rivalry goin like we did with the Soviets. :shrug:

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trendal]
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Oh its a big joke. They will come through a forest and clear cut every single tree and replant pine trees. Since Pine trees arent original to my part of the state. We used to have forests of nothing but hardwoods and oak. Now its all pine trees.

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Redstorm]
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>> There's really no reason Bush would be threatened. It's not like we have a rivalry goin like we did with the Soviets.

actually we do...the dollar is down 35% vs the euro..and the EU are increasingly using their superior economic power to counter US military aggression in the tangiers-brazzaville-darwin-hong kong arc..which has been less than effective against increasingly restless natives...

the "nucular" option is not viable so long as the NMD remains unreliable (which may be never)..and would also result in an ice age...


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Annapurna1]
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Annapurna1 writes:

but is it also possible..as the link suggests..that bush is deliberately trying to trigger an ice age and/or otherwise damage the environment..

It is also possible that the movement of my eyeballs is the result of very tiny invisible monkeys pulling a complex system of invisible cables running through invisible pullies.

I don't understand this need so many feel to attribute the most bizarre conspiracy theories to Bush. Admittedly he is not the brightest president the US has ever had, and admittedly there are some reasonable arguments against quite a few of the actions he has taken. But he's not a crazed evil James Bond-type movie villain.

Reasonable people may disagree over Bush's policies, or over the policies of any prior president in US history for that matter. But to constantly try to dream up the most far-fetched scenarios imaginable is not the mark of a reasonable person. People who spend their time coming up with gibberish like that link printed have -- to be as tactful as possible -- a "unique" version of reality.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Phred]
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Yeah, I don't like the man as a president at all, but I think it'd be giving him too much credit if you thought he'd make something like this up.

It's just too obvious that we would lose way too muchif this happened, regardless of the exchange rate.

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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Redstorm]
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If a tree fell in the woods and no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?


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