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U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end
    #1470650 - 04/18/03 04:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This articles a week old but I didnt see any threads about it, and I think it's relevent now that this will be actually happening pretty soon.
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U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting ends

By DOUG SAUNDERS

UPDATED AT 1:03 AM EDT Wednesday, Apr. 9, 2003

Washington is trying to portray its battle as one of liberation, not conquest, but Iraq is about to be invaded by thousands of U.S. evangelical missionaries who say they are bent on a "spiritual warfare" campaign to convert the country's Muslims to Christianity.

Among the largest aid groups preparing to provide humanitarian aid to Iraqis are a number of Christian charities based in the southern United States that make no secret of their desire to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and win over Muslim souls.

The largest of these is the Southern Baptist Convention, an ardent supporter of the war as an opportunity to bring Christianity to the Middle East. It says it has 25,000 trained evangelists ready to enter Iraq.

"That would [mean] a heart change would go on in that part of the world," Mark Liederbach of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary said in a recent speech to the SBC. "That's what we need to be praying for. That's how a Christian wages spiritual warfare."

Such words have caused deep alarm among military and diplomatic authorities. Although Christian aid organizations have worked comfortably alongside secular groups in other conflicts, Muslims around the world are already suspicious of U.S. motives in Iraq, and the worry is that missionaries could reinforce the widespread popular belief that the war is really a "clash of civilizations" between Christians and Muslims.

Muslim groups say they believe the presence of evangelists is a sign that President George W. Bush is trying to impose his own evangelical Christianity on Muslims. It does not help that Mr. Bush became a born-again Christian with the assistance of Billy Graham, the founder of the SBC.

"This is creating a real serious problem of perception: Here we have an army invading Iraq, followed by a bunch of people who want to convert everyone to Christianity," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on Islamic-American Relations. "How's that going to look in the Muslim world? And how's it going to look that this guy says Muslims are evil and he's the guy who works with the President?"

Mr. Hooper was referring to Mr. Graham's son, Franklin, who runs the SBC. The younger Mr. Graham, who delivered the invocation at Mr. Bush's inauguration in 2001, has repeatedly gone on the record describing Islam as "wicked."

Mr. Graham has recently been more tolerant of Islam, but he has made it clear that the conversion of Muslims to Christianity is a goal for his volunteers.

"I believe as we work, God will always give us opportunities to tell others about His Son," he told the religious newsletter BeliefNet last week. "We are there to reach out to love them and to save them, and as a Christian, I do this in the name of Jesus Christ."

In response to criticism, many Christian aid groups, including Mr. Graham's, have toned down the religious messages.

In one major project, Baptist families have been asked to put together "gift of love" food boxes designed to provide a month's worth of basic nourishment to a family of five. "Please do not place any additional items/literature inside the box," the families are told.

While many evangelical aid workers are motivated by humanitarian desires, their mission statement makes it clear that they are required to attempt conversions: "It is the duty of every child of God to seek constantly to win the lost to Christ by verbal witness undergirded by a Christian lifestyle, and by other methods in harmony with the gospel of Christ."U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting ends

By DOUG SAUNDERS

UPDATED AT 1:03 AM EDT Wednesday, Apr. 9, 2003

Washington is trying to portray its battle as one of liberation, not conquest, but Iraq is about to be invaded by thousands of U.S. evangelical missionaries who say they are bent on a "spiritual warfare" campaign to convert the country's Muslims to Christianity.

Among the largest aid groups preparing to provide humanitarian aid to Iraqis are a number of Christian charities based in the southern United States that make no secret of their desire to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and win over Muslim souls.

The largest of these is the Southern Baptist Convention, an ardent supporter of the war as an opportunity to bring Christianity to the Middle East. It says it has 25,000 trained evangelists ready to enter Iraq.

"That would [mean] a heart change would go on in that part of the world," Mark Liederbach of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary said in a recent speech to the SBC. "That's what we need to be praying for. That's how a Christian wages spiritual warfare."

Such words have caused deep alarm among military and diplomatic authorities. Although Christian aid organizations have worked comfortably alongside secular groups in other conflicts, Muslims around the world are already suspicious of U.S. motives in Iraq, and the worry is that missionaries could reinforce the widespread popular belief that the war is really a "clash of civilizations" between Christians and Muslims.

Muslim groups say they believe the presence of evangelists is a sign that President George W. Bush is trying to impose his own evangelical Christianity on Muslims. It does not help that Mr. Bush became a born-again Christian with the assistance of Billy Graham, the founder of the SBC.

"This is creating a real serious problem of perception: Here we have an army invading Iraq, followed by a bunch of people who want to convert everyone to Christianity," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on Islamic-American Relations. "How's that going to look in the Muslim world? And how's it going to look that this guy says Muslims are evil and he's the guy who works with the President?"

Mr. Hooper was referring to Mr. Graham's son, Franklin, who runs the SBC. The younger Mr. Graham, who delivered the invocation at Mr. Bush's inauguration in 2001, has repeatedly gone on the record describing Islam as "wicked."

Mr. Graham has recently been more tolerant of Islam, but he has made it clear that the conversion of Muslims to Christianity is a goal for his volunteers.

"I believe as we work, God will always give us opportunities to tell others about His Son," he told the religious newsletter BeliefNet last week. "We are there to reach out to love them and to save them, and as a Christian, I do this in the name of Jesus Christ."

In response to criticism, many Christian aid groups, including Mr. Graham's, have toned down the religious messages.

In one major project, Baptist families have been asked to put together "gift of love" food boxes designed to provide a month's worth of basic nourishment to a family of five. "Please do not place any additional items/literature inside the box," the families are told.

While many evangelical aid workers are motivated by humanitarian desires, their mission statement makes it clear that they are required to attempt conversions: "It is the duty of every child of God to seek constantly to win the lost to Christ by verbal witness undergirded by a Christian lifestyle, and by other methods in harmony with the gospel of Christ."U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting ends

By DOUG SAUNDERS

UPDATED AT 1:03 AM EDT Wednesday, Apr. 9, 2003

Washington is trying to portray its battle as one of liberation, not conquest, but Iraq is about to be invaded by thousands of U.S. evangelical missionaries who say they are bent on a "spiritual warfare" campaign to convert the country's Muslims to Christianity.

Among the largest aid groups preparing to provide humanitarian aid to Iraqis are a number of Christian charities based in the southern United States that make no secret of their desire to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and win over Muslim souls.

The largest of these is the Southern Baptist Convention, an ardent supporter of the war as an opportunity to bring Christianity to the Middle East. It says it has 25,000 trained evangelists ready to enter Iraq.

"That would [mean] a heart change would go on in that part of the world," Mark Liederbach of the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary said in a recent speech to the SBC. "That's what we need to be praying for. That's how a Christian wages spiritual warfare."

Such words have caused deep alarm among military and diplomatic authorities. Although Christian aid organizations have worked comfortably alongside secular groups in other conflicts, Muslims around the world are already suspicious of U.S. motives in Iraq, and the worry is that missionaries could reinforce the widespread popular belief that the war is really a "clash of civilizations" between Christians and Muslims.

Muslim groups say they believe the presence of evangelists is a sign that President George W. Bush is trying to impose his own evangelical Christianity on Muslims. It does not help that Mr. Bush became a born-again Christian with the assistance of Billy Graham, the founder of the SBC.

"This is creating a real serious problem of perception: Here we have an army invading Iraq, followed by a bunch of people who want to convert everyone to Christianity," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on Islamic-American Relations. "How's that going to look in the Muslim world? And how's it going to look that this guy says Muslims are evil and he's the guy who works with the President?"

Mr. Hooper was referring to Mr. Graham's son, Franklin, who runs the SBC. The younger Mr. Graham, who delivered the invocation at Mr. Bush's inauguration in 2001, has repeatedly gone on the record describing Islam as "wicked."

Mr. Graham has recently been more tolerant of Islam, but he has made it clear that the conversion of Muslims to Christianity is a goal for his volunteers.

"I believe as we work, God will always give us opportunities to tell others about His Son," he told the religious newsletter BeliefNet last week. "We are there to reach out to love them and to save them, and as a Christian, I do this in the name of Jesus Christ."

In response to criticism, many Christian aid groups, including Mr. Graham's, have toned down the religious messages.

In one major project, Baptist families have been asked to put together "gift of love" food boxes designed to provide a month's worth of basic nourishment to a family of five. "Please do not place any additional items/literature inside the box," the families are told.

While many evangelical aid workers are motivated by humanitarian desires, their mission statement makes it clear that they are required to attempt conversions: "It is the duty of every child of God to seek constantly to win the lost to Christ by verbal witness undergirded by a Christian lifestyle, and by other methods in harmony with the gospel of Christ."




So we go in, liberate them, and now we're going to tell them that they've been wrong all this time, that the Allah is Evil and everyone should praise God. This is NOT the message we need to spread, shit like this will lead to another national monument crumbling.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1470659 - 04/18/03 04:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

is the US government funding or supporting these missionaries?


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1470667 - 04/18/03 04:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

These numb-nuts are going to stir up a tidal wave of shit.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: ]
    #1470680 - 04/18/03 04:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No, these are all volunteers, but at the very least our government could ask them not to go, they could say it's politically unstable at the moment. We're not preventing them from doing it.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1470717 - 04/18/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We're not preventing them from doing it.

to do so would be a violation of the first amendment. so would supporting them.


Edited by Anonymous (04/18/03 04:53 PM)


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1470718 - 04/18/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why should we try and stop them? They have a right to try and win converts. I don't see a problem as long as we are not paying for it.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting [Re: z@z.com]
    #1470745 - 04/18/03 05:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I wish they'd wait until things settle down a bit. Prostelytizing in a country that has rule of law is one thing, stirring up a bunch of Islamic fundies right when we're trying to get different factions to coexist is not very helpful.

Can't stop them, though.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting [Re: z@z.com]
    #1470753 - 04/18/03 05:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Telling a people that they've been wrong for 5,000 years generally doesn't go over too well. You'd think the Christians would learn after being tossed to the lions that you just can't force your ideas on a people who already have one.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting [Re: wingnutx]
    #1470754 - 04/18/03 05:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe it isn't a good idea at this stage, but no point in trying to stop them.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1470773 - 04/18/03 05:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Just wait until PETA gets over there.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1472112 - 04/19/03 01:47 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I like missionaries... in a large pot with plenty of vegetables. It's a shame muslims don't eat pig. We could consider it part of the food for oil program. Everyone wins.
The best we can hope for is the missionaries like it in Iraq and stay there. :grin: Anything that keeps the witness from the door is a good thing. 


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: falcon]
    #1472926 - 04/19/03 12:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Good. Maybe those useless shits will go over there and get killed.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: pattern]
    #1473229 - 04/19/03 02:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I wanna see decapitations live on Pay-Per-View.

Al-Jazeera'd make a killing over here.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting end [Re: GringoLoco]
    #1474186 - 04/19/03 09:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I fucking hate religious extremists, no matter what religion they are.


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    #1474200 - 04/19/03 09:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

they hate you too. and by the way... gawd hates fags.


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    #1474219 - 04/19/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

they hate you too. and by the way... gawd hates fags.



Then I hate gawd.


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Re: U.S. missionaries plan 'spiritual warfare' when fighting [Re: z@z.com]
    #1474517 - 04/19/03 11:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Why should we try and stop them? They have a right to try and win converts. I don't see a problem as long as we are not paying for it.



Because we are responsible for the Iraqi people until they have reestablished some sort of self government. They are vunerable do we just let the soul gatherers in to plunder as they will. The U.S. is until further notice the default Iraqi administration.


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