Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > Mushroom Cultivation
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore Bulk Substrate   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem
    #351920 -

I innoc'd 14 quart jars of rye on the 21 of June. Used equal 1 1/2 of water and rye, pc'd for two hours and innoc'd the next day. They took off incredibly fast at temps around 86-88. About 80% colonized in 9 days. Shook only once after innoculation. One problem though, they all contamed. Green. Just bits here and there. But they are definitely goners. It took a bit of searching and tests to figure out how the contams got in there and I would have to say - Soak or cook the rye first. I know this may be trivial to some of the experts here, but a lot of the teks do not say to soak or cook. Next batch the rye was cooked for an hour and they are now moving along fine after only 3 days and no contams. I think soaking or cooking to open up the rye a bit allows the pressure cooking to kill the endospores that may remain after pc'ing. At least I sure as hell hope so. One other thing I've noticed - it is not a bad idea to go completely anal to work in sterile conditions at all times. Patiently awaiting the first signs of growth in your jars, day after day, hoping for the best and then finally - growth - green growth, it really ruins your day.

Guess this should be in the contams section.

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.


--------------------
It's life. The dark that binds you. - InFlames.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Mordor]
    #351930 -

I prefer presoaking for 24 hours to allow time for any spores/endospores/whatever to germinate. Then they are zapped w/ the PC. It's soaked it right in the jar w/ 190 degree F water from the water machine and a gram of gypsum.

If you continue to have contam probs, cook your sub longer and use one of your jars as a control jar. That will help you isolate the contam source.


What gets rewarded, gets done.


--------------------
Where there's skill, there's a better way..

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: egghead]
    #351933 -

The gypsum sounds interesting, what does it help to accomplish? Shakability?

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.


--------------------
It's life. The dark that binds you. - InFlames.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Mordor]
    #351940 -

I've innoculated 24 quart jars and only lost 1 to green mold. I'm using 1 1/2cups water and 1 1/2 cups of rye. I do not soak the grain. I just fill and pressure cook. I'm on day 10 and my jars are full colonized. The produce ALOT of heat. This can be a problem like it was for me. Once the jars heat up and you cool them down, heavy water condensation appears. This is where bacteria comes in. Some of my jars are beginning to have a purplish tint to them and the grain has clumped together. To everyone out there using rye and any other type of grain, once the jar is fully colonized, I would store them in the refrigerator to prevent them for heating up. You can store them in the fridge for quite awhile... If you're getting hit my contamn... I would suggest you invest in some filter discs and sterilize your jars for 1 1/2 hours.

- Celsius


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Mordor]
    #351942 -

Mainly its on Stamets' recommendation. I like to think that it reduces clumping and acts as a pH buffer. I'm also partial to adding a multi-vitamin or mineral tablet into each quart jar. 1/2 tab for pints. This is for nutrient boost mainly, but the minerals (calcium?) seem to fill the role of gypsum. Some people boost w/ malt which is more energetic/sugary than nutritional.

Anyway, there's a lot you could do if you want to experiment. Most folks would probably say it's not worth the trouble. If nothing else, it's fun to experiment.


What gets rewarded, gets done.


--------------------
Where there's skill, there's a better way..

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: egghead]
    #351950 -

A multi-vitamin, now that would be a good experiment. I'm also experimenting with another idea someone posted. Dung+Rye+Verm, equal parts. It is colonizing faster than the rest! Maybe a vitamin in that mix will be the ultimate substrate. Will have to wait and count the weight and flushes. Experimenting is fun. Also looks like my malt solution colonizes faster too.

It's life. The dark that binds you. - InFlames.


--------------------
It's life. The dark that binds you. - InFlames.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Mordor]
    #352259 -

Post deleted by administrator.


--------------------
www.RalphstersSpores.com

WE SHIP TO CANADA FROM WITHIN CANADA :smile:

For your safety and security, we have a Secure Website.
Also for your security, we will not take your credit card number.
Your security and safety is of utmost importance to us.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Mordor]
    #352297 -

Green mold does not form endospores. Endospores are produced by bacteria. In my experience green mold is a contaminant that is caused by spores entering your are jars AFTER they have been sterilised; either from the air, or from the syringe you were using.

As egghead says, by not inoculating one of the jars you will be able to tell whether or not the infection is caused during the inoculation. I cannot imagine that mold/bacteria spores would survive two hours of pressure cooking, so i 'm pretty sure something during inoculation went wrong.

We do not use gypsum, and have never found this necessary. It should prevent clumping but when using the correct water:rye ratio this is unnecessary. For some species however (Agaricus) the pH is more important, and the mycelium will grow very poorly in grain without gypsum.

Need spores? We got spores!
www.mushmush.nl
for the highest quality exotic mushroom spores.


--------------------
www.911blogger.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Mordor]
    #352381 -

Did you put the lid airtight on your jars when PC'ing ?
Anyway, i use a simple step everybody seems to forget, i use it since i started this shroom cultivation and never had a contam, this step is freezing the jars after PC'ing. Yes the temp. differential will kill allmost if not all contams inside the jars wich were not killed by PC'ing. It's easy as hell, just put the jars after being PC'ed inside the freezer and let them stay over the night, the next day take them out and let them defreeze naturally, then inoculate. Extreme cold also kill contams you just have to expose them to cold a bit more time than eat, why everybody allways think of just extreme eat ?

Cheers,
MAIA

__
"Pictures in a box at home
Yellowing and green with mold
So i can barely see your face
Wonder how that color taste"
=)Free&Spread the Spores(=
Support the FSR


--------------------
Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: MAIA]
    #352414 -

First of all putting hot stuff in your freezer is not smart it will:
a) damage your freezer
b) warm up the inside of your freezer, which will make the foodstuff inside spoil.

Second, the inside of a freezer is -18oC, you can hardly call that extreme cold.
Have you ever tried making substrate without freezing it afterwards? I bet you will get exactly the same results.

Just because i wear a funny hat during pressue cooking, doesn't mean that wearing a funny hat would help in killing molds and bacteria. (We hardly have any contaminated jars, and we DO make a lot of them)

Something that IS effective, is a sudden fluctuation in pressure. If you are the lucky owner of a pressure cooker that holds a vacuum while cooling down you could use that. (You would however need a micron filter (not a filter disc) or HEPA filtered air for this).

BTW: the funny hat was just an example, i do not wear anything on my head while pressure cooking;).

Need spores? We got spores!
www.mushmush.nl
for the highest quality exotic mushroom spores.


--------------------
www.911blogger.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Una]
    #352420 -

Damn! <returns funny hat to closet>


What gets rewarded, gets done.


--------------------
Where there's skill, there's a better way..

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: egghead]
    #352424 -

Rofl.......

Egghead makes me laugh!

Peace


http://go.to/FreeSporeRing

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Una]
    #352443 -

Well i have a big freezer arc wich lowers the temps to -30?C, i don't really care if it gets damaged, anyway it's at my disposal for this kind of stuff.
It's just an extra step and i think it might work to a certain point.

BTW, nice videos at your site. Keep up the good work!! :wink:

__
"Pictures in a box at home
Yellowing and green with mold
So i can barely see your face
Wonder how that color taste"
=)Free&Spread the Spores(=
Support the FSR

Edited by MAIA on 07/01/01 01:49 PM.



--------------------
Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Rye Quarts Colonized 9 dys, only 1 problem [Re: Una]
    #352471 -

I wear a giant mushroom cap on my head while PC'ing. NOT ONE CONTAM YET. PRAISE THE MUSHROOM HAT.

"It lasted for a million years and for a split-second. But it's over and now it's your turn." -Timothy Leary
Support the FSR
Keep Shroomin'!


--------------------
"It lasted for a million years and for a split-second. But it's over and now it's your turn." -Timothy Leary
Support the FSR
Keep Shroomin'!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: North Spore Bulk Substrate   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > Mushroom Cultivation
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* How do these Rye Quarts look to you ?? OZZ 3,241 16 10/31/02 08:11 AM
by OZZ
* PC is out for repair ,rye grain colonized now what nw2shroom 1,668 7 04/26/02 09:26 PM
by nw2shroom
* How many CCs of Spore Solution for Rye Quart Jars? DaxMiddler 2,214 1 07/16/02 05:13 PM
by Maveric2112
* Rye not colonized....Spawn anyway? badjessejames 1,721 5 04/07/02 02:48 PM
by BlueBruiser
* Rye , Quart Jar, Question? tekramrepus 1,192 10 11/28/02 01:14 AM
by Skikid16
* Rye Grain that is Colonizing, its not spreading tekforce 1,268 3 08/31/01 03:59 PM
by kingkc
* Letting the Rye seep instead of mixing it. vader 895 4 06/11/02 10:52 AM
by LilMerlin
* The ease of rye grain. Anonymous 15,277 19 06/03/16 03:10 PM
by Disco Shiny

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, the_chosen_one, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
2,729 topic views. 16 members, 41 guests and 60 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.