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The ease of rye grain.
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A colonized jar of rye grain is much easier and cheaper to make than a 'pf cake' and can be used to innoculate your favorite substrate or compost for bigger, better results than what one can expect from a small jar.

Rye grain should be easy to find at your local health food shop, prolly in the bulk bins. Its really cheap, cheaper than brown rice flour.

I use Paul Stamets recipe: 1 cup of rye grain and 1/3 cup of water in a quart jar. Pc at 15 psi for 1 complete hour.

The grain should end up looking 'dry'. Maybe a bit of moisture apparent in the bottom inch of the jar, just shake well and mix the wetter with the drier.

You should be able to shake the jar and it will be like shaking a jar of nuts, each grain moving on its own, not stuck together.

The rye is dirt cheap so don't worry about wasting any, make sure the consistency is right or you will be wasting your spores.

Rye grain...used by professional mushroom cultivators for decades.


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: ]
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Thanks CMM. I must second him on the ease of rye grain. It is very easy and fast to colonize and twice as easy to multiple with minimal spore innoculation. With rye you have the added flexibility to spawn seven to ten additional rye jars from the one colonized rye jar that you allready have. You can also spawn straw and dung much more efficiently. Overall, rye (and most whole grains) are a great substrate.


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: phrozendata]
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Yes, rye grain has been a favorite of real mushroom cultivators for decades.

You can even fruit it in the jar and its way easier and cheaper than pf tek, even for beginners.



Photo from Psilocybe Mushrooms and their Allies by Paul Stamets.

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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: ]
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Well, you do need a PC to use them, but most people seem to have one now'n'days anyways!


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: phrozendata]
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The Raccoon has to agree with the ease of rye grain, once you have the method down pat.

This is a quart jar, grain to grain transfer in front of a flow hood on day 12 after the transfer.

The Raccoon soaked rye over night, then rinse & drain for 15 -- 20 minutes. Then load jars & PC for at least 1 hour @ 15 pounds, & often 90 to 120 minutes. Sometimes if the Raccoon gets a batch of grain that seems prone to blue/green mold contam, the Raccoon simply lets the PC cool over night w/jars inside, then PC the load again.

What is great if you have a good glove box or flow hood is that one jar will create a dozen more using G to G transfers.

You can also simply take a quart jar w/metal lid with a SS screw in it (near the edge), add spring water, PC 20 -30 minutes, let it cool to room temp & then add a couple table spoons full of fully colonized rye clumps, close tight, shake (well) to break up the rye & spread it around in the water. Let it set a day or so, shake well again, remove the screw, insert a sterile syringe, draw off a syringe full of jar water at a time & innoc other fresh jars of grains. Toilet flush fast & simple.

What is covering this jar lid is triple coffee filters, just to keep the ambiant contams floating around off the lid filter-itself. SixTango



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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: ]
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im a begginer using the pf-tek and this forumn excited me! After you pc it do you simply inoculate it with a syringe, or do you have to do some other method. What do YOU do? After its colonized can you mix it with vermiculite in casing trays? All my questions seem so elementary, but i would love to know. *Help a newb out*.........

Thanks
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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: SiMpLe_GrEeN] * 1
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Since " I " have never grown a mushroom. I cant help you. But the Racccon who grows them uses any of several methods.

Grain to grain tranfers. Spore syringe. Liquid Myc innoc.

Spore syringe is the best route for beginners. As it is toilet flush simple & you can purchase a syringe that is -- hopefully -- clean from any number of the vendors in this forum.

Once you have a fully colonized jar, you can scoop & dump that grain into an adiquate sized container, flatten it out, let it recolonize, then case. Rather than use it as spawn for a prepared substrate, to increase yeilds.

Because if you use it to spawn more substrate, your adding another step, that can be prone to also adding contams, when your a beginner -- without a good glove box or flow hood to work with.

Also, once you have a fully colonized rye jar. PC a jar of spring water & add a heaping tablesppon of colonized rye to the jar of sterile water. Shake it well. Let it rest a day of 2. Shake it again. Presto/chango, you now have a quart of liquid innoc for starting more jars.

Best -O- Luck. SixTango


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: SixTango]
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Good stuff Tango, I gave you a 5 mushroom rating!

Psilocybin Production by Adam Gottlieb explains how to grow in bulk using hundreds of jars of rye grain which all start using a single jar.

A pressure cooker is definatly needed but can be found in thrift shops for just a couple bucks.

Its time to throw away your pf jars and join the grain revolution!!

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Thanks for the help!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: ]
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Thanks i'm scheduled to try this new style tommorow, hopefully with muy success, i'll keep ya posted if you want, or care.............

LEnn


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: ]
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While I favor grain use over pf cakes, rye is above all else the best grain to use. At one point I used millet exclusively (partly because I couldn't find a cheap source for rye, and partly because I already have birds) but after using rye I just won't go back to millet. For one thing rye grain colonization time is half that of finch seed and due to shake ability much faster than pf jars, and its easier to shake during colonization as well as easier to break up when your taking it from the jar. And its actually simpler than pf jars IMHO. Just rig the quart lids once and their good to go forever perfect for those that have a difficult time finding vermiculite. No need here.


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
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is it poss to use rye and friut it as a cake??? do they just break up?

also does anyone out there just boil rye rather than pc it... im having a prick of a time trying to find the pc i want....


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: ]
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I definetly agree with six tango rye is great if you have it down. Rye is the fastest colonizing grain of any my fire ants use. Although millet still hasnt been worked with to much. Wheat is great but rye speeds past it in a comparsion.

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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: atoning_unifex]
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yes, my question exactly. Do you have to have a PC??
Also what makes it better than brown rice.

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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: SiMpLe_GrEeN]
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I started using rye he first time I ever did this, as long as youre water content is right you wont have a problem,, you can innoc with syringes or just straight off spore prints,,

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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: nw2shroom]
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Rye grain is very good as a spawning medium and can be used to fruit mush for sure - or you can use rye powder in substituted brf cakes.
Rye does contaminate easier than other Cubensis substrate mediums (brf and millet - bulk substrates such as manure and compost) so requires sterility.
Great post btw Max!


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: atoning_unifex]
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"Poster: atoning_unifex
Subject: Re: The ease of rye grain.

is it poss to use rye and friut it as a cake??? do they just break up?

Yes, you can use rye and fruit it as a cake,

also does anyone out there just boil rye rather than pc it... im having a prick of a time trying to find the pc i want....

Rye berries need to be pressured cooked in order to properly sterilize them. I'm sorry to hear that you are having trouble finding a pressure cooker that suits you well. I'm not sure if you are aware of this but we have a selection of pressure cookers that may suit your needs.


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: DERRAYLD]
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I've seen several pc's in thrift and second-hand shops for just a few bucks.
Make sure the rubber ring around the lid is in good condition and that the jiggler is not missing.

You can let the rye colonize as a big chunk of mycellium that can be treated like a regular cake or you can shake the jar up and loosen the individual grains. Then use to innoculate more jars, compost, etc. Each mycellium-covered grain acts like an innoculation point.

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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: SixTango]
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SixTango said:
Since " I " have never grown a mushroom. I cant help you. But the Racccon who grows them uses any of several methods.

Grain to grain tranfers. Spore syringe. Liquid Myc innoc.

Spore syringe is the best route for beginners. As it is toilet flush simple & you can purchase a syringe that is -- hopefully -- clean from any number of the vendors in this forum.

Once you have a fully colonized jar, you can scoop & dump that grain into an adiquate sized container, flatten it out, let it recolonize, then case. Rather than use it as spawn for a prepared substrate, to increase yeilds.

Because if you use it to spawn more substrate, your adding another step, that can be prone to also adding contams, when your a beginner -- without a good glove box or flow hood to work with.

Also, once you have a fully colonized rye jar. PC a jar of spring water & add a heaping tablesppon of colonized rye to the jar of sterile water. Shake it well. Let it rest a day of 2. Shake it again. Presto/chango, you now have a quart of liquid innoc for starting more jars.

Best -O- Luck. SixTango 


i will have to try this next go around.


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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: Anonymous]
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da almighty rye

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Re: The ease of rye grain. [Re: openmindedcanvas]
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openmindedcanvas said:
da almighty rye



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