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What you should know about PO Boxes
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sorry guys I cross-posted this on the law and activism forum on accident first.

This is a repost of something I posted up at overgrow some years back. I think it's pertinent and that the community here should know about it. I'll try and copy over all of my posts that I think are useful.
http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?s=&threadid=249741&highlight=postmaster

What you should know about PO Boxes

PO Boxes are a great tool for recieving contraband. Personally, I have opened a few boxes for myself under a variety of pseudonyms over the years. My favorite was a box whose boxholder's name were "Norton Leight", PO Box 5

You probably can't get PO Boxes under assumed names like I can, because you need photo ID. What you do not need is a driver's license, a state ID card is just fine and easier to obtain. I don't suggest you use any type of identity theft to procure this or the PO Box, because this is what the Postal Inspectors are going after most feverantly right now. However you can get it, get a state ID card with an assumed name. The next item you want to have is a piece of mail going to an assumed street address. This is often very useful if you can't get any "regular" photo ID. Clerks often times will allow private sector photo ID's such as a business's id badge, but in that case they want a letter going to your "street address". Obviously you don't want to use your real street address. The letter has to be round-dated or otherwise cancelled. There are two easy ways to get this.

First off, I'd suggest you find the address you want to use. Public buildings, vacant houses, etc are great for this. Make out your professionally printed or otherwise professional-looking letter, and take it into a post office OTHER than the one you want the PO Box at. There's two ways to get it cancelled and back to you. First and safest is to just give it to the clerk and ask for it to be round-dated right then and there so you're certain it will be accepted on time (say it's a credit card bill, etc). Once it's round dated, act like you're mad at yourself for not enclosing the check or something of that sort. 9 out of 10 times you'll get it back from them. Just walk out at that point. Tell them you forgot your checkbook or whatever if they ask. Most likely, they won't ask.

The second and more risky method is to go into a very small rural office, where there is usually only one person in the office at any given time. Make up a reason to get them to look in the back of the office. A good excust for this is to get indignint about your social security check not arriving yet. Even though they go back, they're probably just getting coffee or blowing you off. We know when they arrive, we don't lose them, whatever. Just get him out of the way. There will be a round-dater stamp by his window console. Use it. Use it real quick. Even if you're on camera, the picture will be so horrible that you will NOT be identified. The tapes they use are 24 hour tapes and have horrible quality, and are re-used on top of that.

Once you have the PO Box, subscribe to a couple regular magazines or get a few typical catalogs delivered there regularly so that everything seems legit. When you check your box, regularly make an issue to look inside to see if there is a piece of paper hanging from the back of the box. On the two occasions I've been told to keep track of names and addresses going to a box, the inspectors have a "cover" placed on the box, a piece of paper hung from the back informing the box clerk to write down this information. Papers are often hung just saying the boxholder's names, so you need to make sure you recognise the paper hung from the back. Pull the paper off the first time you see it. It's normal for them to fall off, so don't sweat this.

Don't check your box at regular intervals. Do it on an odd schedule. Small rural offices often have box lobbies that are open 24 hours a day. Take advantage of this. Driving in the dark lets you know if you're being tailed, and you can mix up the hours you check the box this way. If you're going to get pinched, they will usually follow you to the box when they know you're going to open it, then they pop you then and there. Once, a kiddie porn trader got pinched from using a box in my office. They knew exactly when he would be checking his box. He drove in from halfway across the state a couple times a week on business and checked the box at a regular time. He was stupid, and not just for trading disgusting kiddie porn.

They kept his box opened for months and months, using it to bring down people worldwide. Make sure coorespondants of yours know if you get pinched. Create a way to let them know. Let them know whenever something is going to be sent to them. If it's out of schedule, they know to clean house. Just be more careful than you need to be.

PO Boxes are great. I always get my contraband there, and I'd suggest you use them to your advantage.

Sorry it's so long winded, I just hope it helps someone out there.


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desperately seeking stuntzii

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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: postmaster]
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pmb boxes are much safer as there is no postal inpectors there and further more safer is to get a safe addy at a apartment most the the the empty apartments mail boxes are left open to make it easy for the managers to know witch ones are empty and then you can go to that one and have it sent there and just get it befor any one else dose and if its an apartment in the court of law its harder to prove that it was sent to you and the the previous renter


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Depression, Misspells , wanting everying thing i cant have haveing nothing i want

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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: onetime]
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You are very mistaken if you think the postal inspectors do not monitor PMB boxes. Your PMB box renter has to fill out a federal form that is kept at the delivery office that handles the pmb's delivery. This is because of the high level of theft, defraudment, illegal forwarding services, and other illegal activities that people choose to do from them rather than a PO Box thinking they're not being watched. In 6 years of working a PO Box section daily I've dealt with the inspectors regarding mail going to them once.

During the same time I've given names and addresses of about 25 people to inspectors that I've gathered from the form required to open a PMB.

Furthermore, the amount of mail fraud is so high with PMBs that only a few years ago you could get them with a Suite address instead of a PMB address. Identity theft, mail fraud, and other crimes were so prevailant from these addresses that they had to stop the service providers from allowing addresses like that. Now they're PMB's for that specific reason.

As far as doing the apartment thing, sounds pretty janky to me but it's your decision. I also don't understand what you mean about proving something was sent to you regarding Apartments. What are you saying exactly?


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desperately seeking stuntzii

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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: postmaster]
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"You are very mistaken if you think the postal inspectors do not monitor PMB boxes. Your PMB box renter has to fill out a federal form that is kept at the delivery office that handles the pmb's delivery."

not true, they send a copy of your id and aplication right to the post office so they have it on record.


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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: ZippoZ]
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about proving some thing was ment for me i mean that it if some one mailed me 100 kilos of coke if it didnt have my name on it and they knew about it and wanted to charge me with it it would be impossible to prove that it was ment for me unless i was shady about it


and my pmb all they needed was my school id witch is 3yrs out dated and i never went to school under my legal name thus it was safe but if you live in a small town like mine you wont even see real postal workers these people work for the postal service drive there cars and just put a magnet on them saying us mail but here if your real freindly with the girls who work at the pmb office they will let you do almost any thing but as far as the safest safe addy i can think of is get a job at the mail center of a large corporate building these places get junk/fake/worng mail all the time and you could have shit mailed there and filter it befor any one else can this is good i would think but fuck i dont see why some one would use usps when there is ups and shit like that those guys are soo worried about getting it there within 24hrs that unless its very very very supsisiuos then it will get to where its going but i dont speak from working at a post office i speak from what i see being done i belive the largest amount of pot that was sent in the mail and cought (not till it was deliverd and the record co called the cops) was when some one mailed like 100lbs of pot to puff daddy or some shit it was two summers ago some one might be able to googgle it


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See?
Yes, with my own three eyes.
Depression, Misspells , wanting everying thing i cant have haveing nothing i want

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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: postmaster]
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I was thinking about a PO Box just because I don't like sending things to my place. Also, since nothing I am sending to the PO Box would be illegal, I couldn't get in trouble.


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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: postmaster]
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So you would say a PO Box is pretty safe? Since it (whatever you are ordering) is going to a government building, they won't check/monitor your mail anymore than if it was being sent to a house?

This piece of paper that hangs in the back of the PO Box, will there always be something there, or is it only for certain boxes? Won't they just replace it once they know it isn't there?

Now, really the only things I have being sent there would be Shaman this, or Earthly that - something along those lines - and so should I just subscribe to some magazine and make my mail look more "normal"?

Thank you


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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: postmaster]
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Hi postmaster :smile:

Welcome to the forum.  I've read your posts over at www.overgrow.com

They are very insightful. 

Thanks :smile:

Lana

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Re: What you should know about PO Boxes [Re: theocean06]
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Hey postmaster, what happened to ya? :crazy:


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