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OfflineDaFilosafa
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The Eternal Now
    #3398221 - 11/23/04 02:20 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

This is a question, that i am not sure what the answer is. Have you heard of the phrase "living in the present"? I am not quite sure what it is, and would like to know, it is also called the eternal now. As i figure, every moment is always fresh and new, and always exciting, something to do with not basing the present on past or future, and how do i achieve this sense of always living in the present? Is thier a method?
Also how does that relate to music?


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Re: The Eternal Now [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3398262 - 11/23/04 02:28 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

To me, it's a conscious state where you forget about the past and the future and work on the now.


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Re: The Eternal Now [Re: MAGnum]
    #3398452 - 11/23/04 03:08 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

just being aware of the present rather than dwelling on the past or fantasizing about the future.

the eternal now is always there, its just about being aware of it


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Re: The Eternal Now is the aftermoment [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3398712 - 11/23/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

to me it is allowing the attention to surf along in the aftermoment.
the moment is actually unattainable.
but after the moment we have lots happenning:
if we do not react to what is happenning we can easily remain in the aftermoment - the image of the moment that is constantly forming in our brain.
if we react we are involved (i.e. clinging - samsara).
if we are aware of the reaction and continue surfing in the aftermoment, then it gets real cool.
(to me it actually feels cooler and quite refreshing and interesting to keep surfing the aftermoment)


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Re: The Eternal Now is the aftermoment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3399035 - 11/23/04 04:57 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Yes but how do i experience it? Is thier a method?


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Re: The Eternal Now is the aftermoment [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3399038 - 11/23/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

ehm

theres no quick fix, if thats what youre looking for.
try reducing all of reality to being only your sense for a while


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Re: The Eternal Now [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3399155 - 11/23/04 05:23 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Cannot be eternal when it is "hard-limited" to about 140 years or about 75 years on average.


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Re: The Eternal Now is the aftermoment [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3399158 - 11/23/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

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DaFilosafa said:
Yes but how do i experience it? Is thier a method?



yes relax and try to be equally attentive to every thing familiar and strange that happens. ( you can watch your breath with some of your attention )
when you get focussed on anything particular get back to the open approach that attends everything equally.
and stay relaxed.
and never mind about how many times you have to start it over again, that is part of it too.


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the aftermoment and about music [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3399172 - 11/23/04 05:28 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

music has patterns
the cerebellum will synchronize with that.
keep aloof, but attentive to the changing nature of music, rather than engaging with your tracking of the patterns.


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Re: The Eternal Now [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3399286 - 11/23/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

"""living in the present"? ""

take a song, it is made in the moment, it is played in the moment, and it is still that moment?

""and would like to know, it is also called the eternal now"

know now, now know?


""something to do with not basing the present on past or future""

call future, this - thing.
call past, that - thing.

then what is present? could it be no - thing?

basing nothing on this thing and/or that thing, whilst the basing is the base?  :confused: :thumbup:


""how do i achieve this sense of always living in the present?""
yes?


""Is thier a method?""

the method is a method?  :confused:

""Also how does that relate to music? ""

the way's you could see it relate?
like if i said it is the rhythm of the beat that despises the movement in the elements and therefore, if you take a tone and tune in on it whit out a pitch, you get 'the moment', it would be one way to relate it to music?


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Re: The Eternal Now [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3399522 - 11/23/04 06:56 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Buy a copy of BE HERE NOW. I have used and given it away for 30 years and is precisely about THE essence of mysticism - the Eternal Present. I would follow that terrific text with Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now and even though I never listen to books on tape, THIS book is worth listening to (as well as reading). After these, my third recommendation would be The Eternal Now by Christian existentialist theologian Paul Tillich. These are the best intellectual treatments of the Reality, but the Experience of It is up to you. As BE HERE NOW says about reading (the intellectual apprehension of Reality): "Painted cakes do not satisfy hunger."
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Re: The Eternal Now is the aftermoment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3399780 - 11/23/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
to me it is allowing the attention to surf along in the aftermoment.
the moment is actually unattainable.
but after the moment we have lots happenning:
if we do not react to what is happenning we can easily remain in the aftermoment - the image of the moment that is constantly forming in our brain.
if we react we are involved (i.e. clinging - samsara).
if we are aware of the reaction and continue surfing in the aftermoment, then it gets real cool.
(to me it actually feels cooler and quite refreshing and interesting to keep surfing the aftermoment)




I just thought it was cool of you to use the word surf(ing) as a descriptive word in your post, because that is really the only way I know of to live in the now.

LIVE IN THE NOW DUDE  :rockon:


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Re: The Eternal Now [Re: DaFilosafa]
    #3400370 - 11/23/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

As i figure, every moment is always fresh and new, and always exciting

Subtract "every" from that sentence and replace it with "The", and add a One in front of it.

"..The One-moment is always fresh and new..."

Ah.. Much clearer. :thumbup:

The very key-essence of living in the Now, or at least one of them I should say, lies within [mis]identification with the mind. Whenever you think, it is always... IN TIME. Excessive and compulsive thinking becomes energized from identification with the mind, because without it, "who are you"? So with this issue comes along the package of always living In Time, i.e. past and future.
When one is simply surrendered [to let go and rest] to the Now, the inclination to compulsively think subsides. Here the transformation from noise to Stillness takes place. It is only in this Stillness that you can then truly enjoy Life with a special quality of attention - Love, Inner Peace, Joy of Being.

Of course, it takes time to train our minds and we shouldn't expect instant miracles, but as we familiarize ourselves with realistic and compassionate attitudes, the holiness and sacredness of the timeless dimension of the Now becomes clearer, situations that used to upset us no longer do so, and our ability to make our lives radiate with a higher resonance of quality, and more meaningful for ourselves and others increases.

The Power of NOW by Eckhart Tolle is the book to read. Be Here Now is also a good book, but a bit more vague.

Prosper on..  :heart:


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