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The Scripture of the Golden Eternity.
    #5526651 - 04/17/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

by Jack Kerouac Kerouac & Neal Cassady, c. 1949



1

Did I create that sky? Yes, for, if it was anything
other than a conception in my mind I wouldnt have
said "Sky"-That is why I am the golden eternity.
There are not two of us here, reader and writer, but one,
one golden eternity, One-Which-It-Is, That-Which-
Everything-Is.

2

The awakened Buddha to show the way, the chosen
Messiah to die in the degradation of sentience, is
the golden eternity. One that is what is, the
golden eternity, or, God, or, Tathagata-the name.
The Named One. The human God. Sentient Godhood.
Animate Divine. The Deified One. The Verified One.
The Free One. The Liberator. The Still One. The
settled One. The Established One. Golden Eternity.
All is Well. The Empty One. The Ready One. The
Quitter. The Sitter. The Justified One. The Happy
One.

3

That sky, if it was anything other than an illusion
of my mortal mind I wouldnt have said "that sky."
Thus I made that sky, I am the golden eternity. I
am Mortal Golden Eternity.

4

I was awakened to show the way, chosen to die in
the degradation of life, because I am Mortal Golden
Eternity.

5

I am the golden eternity in mortal animate form.

6

Strictly speaking, there is no me, because all is
emptiness. I am empty, I am non-existent. All is
bliss.

7

This truth law has no more reality than the world.

8

You are the golden eternity because there is no me
and no you, only one golden eternity.

9

The Realizer. Entertain no imaginations whatever,
for the thing is a no-thing. Knowing this then is
Human Godhood.

10

This world is the movie of what everything is, it
is one movie, made of the same stuff throughout,
belonging to nobody, which is what everything is.

11

If we were not all the golden eternity we wouldnt
be here. Because we are here we cant help being
pure. To tell man to be pure on account of the
punishing angel that punishes the bad and the
rewarding angel that rewards the good would be like
telling the water "Be Wet"-Never the less, all
things depend on supreme reality, which is already
established as the record of Karma earned-fate.

12

God is not outside us but is just us, the living
and the dead, the never-lived and never-died. That
we should learn it only now, is supreme reality, it
was written a long time ago in the archives of
universal mind, it is already done, there's no more
to do.

13

This is the knowledge that sees the golden eternity
in all things, which is us, you, me, and which is
no longer us, you, me.

14

What name shall we give it which hath no name, the
common eternal matter of the mind? If we were to
call it essence, some might think it meant perfume,
or gold, or honey. It is not even mind. It is not
even discussible, groupable into words; it is not
even endless, in fact it is not even mysterious or
inscrutably inexplicable; it is what is; it is
that; it is this. We could easily call the golden
eternity "This." But "what's in a name?" asked
Shakespeare. The golden eternity by another name
would be as sweet. A Tathagata, a God, a Buddha by
another name, an Allah, a Sri Krishna, a Coyote, a
Brahma, a Mazda, a Messiah, an Amida, an Aremedeia,
a Maitreya, a Palalakonuh, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 would be
as sweet. The golden eternity is X, the golden
eternity is A, the golden eternity is /\, the
golden eternity is O, the golden eternity is [ ],
the golden eternity is t-h-e-g-o-l-d-e-n-e-t-e-r-
n-i-t-y. In the beginning was the word; before the
beginning, in the beginningless infinite
neverendingness, was the essence. Both the word
"god" and the essence of the word, are emptiness.
The form of emptiness which is emptiness having
taken the form of form, is what you see and hear
and feel right now, and what you taste and smell
and think as you read this. Wait awhile, close your
eyes, let your breathing stop three seconds or so,
listen to the inside silence in the womb of the
world, let your hands and nerve-ends drop,
re-recognize the bliss you forgot, the emptiness
and essence and ecstasy of ever having been and
ever to be the golden eternity. This is the lesson
you forgot.

15

The lesson was taught long ago in the other world
systems that have naturally changed into the empty
and awake, and are here now smiling in our smile
and scowling in our scowl. It is only like the
golden eternity pretending to be smiling and
scowling to itself; like a ripple on the smooth
ocean of knowing. The fate of humanity is to vanish
into the golden eternity, return pouring into its
hands which are not hands. The navel shall receive,
invert, and take back what'd issued forth; the ring
of flesh shall close; the personalities of long
dead heroes are blank dirt.

16

The point is we're waiting, not how comfortable we
are while waiting. Paleolithic man waited by caves
for the realization of why he was there, and
hunted; modern men wait in beautified homes and try
to forget death and birth. We're waiting for the
realization that this is the golden eternity.

17

It came on time.

18

There is a blessedness surely to be believed, and
that is that everything abides in eternal ecstasy,
now and forever.

19

Mother Kali eats herself back. All things but come
to go. All these holy forms, unmanifest, not even
forms, truebodies of blank bright ecstasy, abiding
in a trance, "in emptiness and silence' as it is
pointed out in the Diamond-cutter, asked to be only
what they are: GLAD.

20

The secret God-grin in the trees and in the teapot,
in ashes and fronds, fire and brick, flesh and
mental human hope. All things, far from yearning to
be re-united with God, had never left themselves
and here they are, Dharmakaya, the body of the
truth law, the universal Thisness.

21

"Beyond the reach of change and fear, beyond all
praise and blame," the Lankavatara Scripture knows
to say, is he who is what he is in time and
time-less-ness, in ego and in ego-less-ness, in
self and in self-less-ness.

22

Stare deep into the world before you as if it were
the void: innumerable holy ghosts, buddhies, and
savior gods there hide, smiling. All the atoms
emitting light inside wavehood, there is no
personal separation of any of it. A hummingbird can
come into a house and a hawk will not: so rest and
be assured. While looking for the light, you may
suddenly be devoured by the darkness and find the
true light.

23

Things dont tire of going and coming. The flies end
up with the delicate viands.

24

The cause of the world's woe is birth, The cure of
the world's woe is a bent stick.

25

Though it is everything, strictly speaking there is
no golden eternity because everything is nothing:
there are no things and no goings and comings: for
all is emptiness, and emptiness is these forms,
emptiness is this one formhood.

26

All these selfnesses have already vanished.
Einstein measured that this present universe is an
expanding bubble, and you know what that means.

27

Discard such definite imaginations of phenomena as
your own self, thou human being, thou'rt a
numberless mass of sun-motes: each mote a shrine.
The same as to your shyness of other selves,
selfness as divided into infinite numbers of
beings, or selfness as identified as one self
existing eternally. Be obliging and noble, be
generous with your time and help and possessions,
and be kind, because the emptiness of this little
place of flesh you carry around and call your soul,
your entity, is the same emptiness in every
direction of space unmeasurable emptiness, the
same, one, and holy emptiness everywhere: why be
selfy and unfree, Man God, in your dream? Wake up,
thou'rt selfless and free. "Even and upright your
mind abides nowhere," states Hui Neng of China.
We're all in heaven now.

28

Roaring dreams take place in a perfectly silent
mind. Now that we know this, throw the raft away.

29

Are you tightwad and are you mean, those are the
true sins, and sin is only a conception of ours,
due to long habit. Are you generous and are you
kind, those are the true virtues, and they're only
conceptions. The golden eternity rests beyond sin
and virtue, is attached to neither, is attached to
nothing, is unattached, because the golden eternity
is Alone. The mold has rills but it is one mold.
The field has curves but it is one field. All
things are different forms of the same thing. I
call it the golden eternity-what do you call it,
brother? for the blessing and merit of virtue, and
the punishment and bad fate of sin, are alike just
so many words.

30

Sociability is a big smile, and a big smile is
nothing but teeth. Rest and be kind.

31

There's no need to deny that evil thing called
GOOGOO, which doesnt exist, just as there's no need
to deny that evil thing called Sex and Rebirth,
which also doesn't exist, as it is only a form of
emptiness. The bead of semen comes from a long line
of awakened natures that were your parent, a holy
flow, a succession of saviors pouring from the womb
of the dark void and back into it, fantastic magic
imagination of the lightning, flash, plays, dreams,
not even plays, dreams.

32

"The womb of exuberant fertility," Ashvhaghosha
called it, radiating forms out of its womb of
exuberant emptiness. In emptiness there is no Why,
no knowledge of Why, no ignorance of Why, no asking
and no answering of Why, and no significance
attached to this.

33

A disturbed and frightened man is like the golden
eternity experimentally pretending at feeling the
disturbed-and-frightened mood; a calm and joyous
man, is like the golden eternity pretending at
experimenting with that experience; a man
experiencing his Sentient Being, is like the golden
eternity pretending at trying that out too; a man
who has no thoughts, is like the golden eternity
pretending at being itself; because the emptiness
of everything has no beginning and no end and at
present is infinite.

34

"Love is all in all," said Sainte Therese, choosing
Love for her vocation and pouring out her
happiness, from her garden by the gate, with a
gentle smile, pouring roses on the earth, so that
the beggar in the thunderbolt received of the
endless offering of her dark void. Man goes
a-beggaring into nothingness. "Ignorance is the
father, Habit-Energy is the Mother." Opposites are
not the same for the same reason they are the same.

35

The words "atoms of dust" and "the great universes"
are only words. The idea that they imply is only an
idea. The belief that we live here in this
existence, divided into various beings, passing
food in and out of ourselves, and casting off husks
of bodies one after another with no cessation and
no definite or particular discrimination, is only
an idea. The seat of our Immortal Intelligence can
be seen in that beating light between the eyes the
Wisdom Eye of the ancients: we know what we're
doing: we're not disturbed: because we're like the
golden eternity pretending at playing the magic
cardgame and making believe it's real, it's a big
dream, a joyous ecstasy of words and ideas and
flesh, an ethereal flower unfolding a folding back,
a movie, an exuberant bunch of lines bounding
emptiness, the womb of Avalokitesvara, a vast
secret silence, springtime in the Void, happy young
gods talking and drinking on a cloud. Our 32,000
chillicosms bear all the marks of excellence. Blind
milky light fills our night; and the morning is
crystal.

36

Give a gift to your brother, but there's no gift to
compare with the giving of assurance that he is the
golden eternity. The true understanding of this
would bring tears to your eyes. The other shore is
right here, forgive and forget, protect and
reassure. Your tormenters will be purified. Raise
thy diamond hand. Have faith and wait. The course
of your days is a river rumbling over your rocky
back. You're sitting at the bottom of the world
with a head of iron. Religion is thy sad heart.
You're the golden eternity and it must be done by
you. And means one thing: Nothing-Ever-Happened.
This is the golden eternity.

37

When the Prince of the Kalinga severed the flesh
from the limbs and body of Buddha, even then the
Buddha was free from any such ideas as his own
self, other self, living beings divided into many
selves, or living beings united and identified into
one eternal self. The golden eternity isnt "me."
Before you can know that you're dreaming you'll
wake up, Atman. Had the Buddha, the Awakened One,
cherished any of these imaginary judgments of and
about things, he would have fallen into impatience
and hatred in his suffering. Instead, like Jesus on
the Cross he saw the light and died kind, loving
all living things.

38

The world was spun out of a blade of grass: the
world was spun out of a mind. Heaven was spun out
of a blade of grass: heaven was spun out of a mind.
Neither will do you much good, neither will do you
much harm. The Oriental imperturbed, is the golden
eternity.

39

He is called a Yogi, his is called a Priest, a
Minister, a Brahmin, a Parson, a Chaplain, a Roshi,
a Laoshih, a Master, a Patriarch, a Pope, a
Spiritual Commissar, a Counselor, and Adviser, a
Bodhisattva-Mahasattva, an Old Man, a Saint, a
Shaman, a Leader, who thinks nothing of himself as
separate from another self, not higher nor lower,
no stages and no definite attainments, no
mysterious stigmata or secret holyhood, no wild
dark knowledge and no venerable authoritativeness,
nay a giggling sage sweeping out of the kitchen
with a broom. After supper, a silent smoke. Because
there is no definite teaching: the world is
undisciplined. Nature endlessly in every direction
inward to your body and outward into space.

40

Meditate outdoors. The dark trees at night are not
really the dark trees at night, it's only the
golden eternity.

41

A mosquito as big as Mount Everest is much bigger
than you think: a horse's hoof is more delicate
than it looks. An altar consecrated to the golden
eternity, filled with roses and lotuses and
diamonds, is the cell of the humble prisoner, the
cell so cold and dreary. Boethius kissed the Robe
of the Mother Truth in a Roman dungeon.

42

Do you think the emptiness of the sky will ever
crumble away? Every little child knows that
everybody will go to heaven. Knowing that nothing
ever happened is not really knowing that nothing
ever happened, it's the golden eternity. In other
words, nothing can compare with telling your
brother and your sister that what happened, what is
happening, and what will happen, never really
happened, is not really happening and never will
happen, it is only the golden eternity. Nothing was
ever born, nothing will ever die. Indeed, it didnt
even happen that you heard about golden eternity
through the accidental reading of this scripture.
The thing is easily false. There are no warnings
whatever issuing from the golden eternity: do what
you want.

43

Even in dreams be kind, because anyway there is no
time, no space, no mind. "It's all not-born," said
Bankei of Japan, whose mother heard this from her
son did what we call "died happy." And even if she
had died unhappy, dying unhappy is not really dying
unhappy, it's the golden eternity. It's impossible
to exist, it's impossible to be persecuted, it's
impossible to miss your reward.

44

Eight hundred and four thousand myriads of Awakened
Ones throughout numberless swirls of epochs
appeared to work hard to save a grain of sand, and
it was only the golden eternity. And their combined
reward will be no greater and no lesser than what
will be won by a piece of dried turd. It's a reward
beyond thought.

45

When you've understood this scripture, throw it
away. If you cant understand this scripture, throw
it away. I insist on your freedom.

46

O everlasting Eternity, all things and all truth
laws are no- things, in three ways, which is the
same way: AS THINGS OF TIME they dont exist because
there is no furthest atom than can be found or
weighed or grasped, it is emptiness through and
through, matter and empty space too. AS THINGS OF
MIND they dont exist, because the mind that
conceives and makes them out does so by seeing,
hearing touching, smelling, tasting, and
mentally-noticing and without this mind they would
not be seen or heard or felt or smelled or tasted
or mentally-noticed, they are discriminated that
which they're not necessarily by imaginary
judgments of the mind, they are actually dependent
on the mind that makes them out, by themselves they
are no-things, they are really mental, seen only of
the mind, they are really empty visions of the
mind, heaven is a vision, everything is a vision.
What does it mean that I am in this endless
universe thinking I'm a man sitting under the stars
on the terrace of earth, but actually empty and
awake throughout the emptiness and awakedness of
everything? It means that I am empty and awake,
knowing that I am empty and awake, and that there's
no difference between me and anything else. It
means that I have attained to that which everything
is.

47

The-Attainer-To-That-Which-Everything-Is, the
Sanskrit Tathagata, has no ideas whatever but
abides in essence identically with the essence of
all things, which is what it is, in emptiness and
silence. Imaginary meaning stretched to make
mountains and as far as the germ is concerned it
stretched even further to make molehills. A million
souls dropped through hell but nobody saw them or
counted them. A lot of large people isnt really a
lot of large people, it's only the golden eternity.
When St. Francis went to heaven he did not add to
heaven nor detract from earth. Locate silence,
possess space, spot me the ego.

"From the beginning," said the Sixth Patriarch of
the China School, "not a thing is."

48

He who loves all life with his pity and
intelligence isnt really he who loves all life with
his pity and intelligence, it's only natural. The
universe is fully known because it is ignored.
Enlightenment comes when you dont care. This is a
good tree stump I'm sitting on. You cant even grasp
your own pain let alone your eternal reward. I love
you because you're me. I love you because there's
nothing else to do. It's just the natural golden
eternity.

49

What does it mean that those trees and mountains
are magic and unreal?- It means that those trees
and mountains are magic and unreal. What does it
mean that those trees and mountains are not magic
but real?- it means that those trees and mountains
are not magic but real. Men are just making
imaginary judgments both ways, and all the time
it's just the same natural golden eternity.

50

If the golden eternity was anything other than mere
words, you could not have said "golden eternity."
This means that the words are used to point at the
endless nothingness of reality. If the endless
nothingness of reality was anything other than mere
words, you could not have said "endless nothingness
of reality," you could not have said it. This means
that the golden eternity is out of our word-reach,
it refuses steadfastly to be described, it runs
away from us and leads us in. The name is not
really the name. The same way, you could not have
said "this world" if this world was anything other
than mere words. There's nothing there but just
that. They've long known that there's nothing to
life but just the living of it. It Is What It Is
and That's All It Is.

51

There's no system of teaching and no reward for
teaching the golden eternity, because nothing has
happened. In the golden eternity teaching and
reward havent even vanished let alone appeared. The
golden eternity doesnt even have to be perfect. It
is very silly of me to talk about it. I talk about
it simply because here I am dreaming that I talk
about it in a dream already ended, ages ago, from
which I'm already awake, and it was only an empty
dreaming, in fact nothing whatever, in fact nothing
ever happened at all. The beauty of attaining the
golden eternity is that nothing will be acquired,
at last.

52

Kindness and sympathy, understanding and
encouragement, these give: they are better than
just presents and gifts: no reason in the world why
not. Anyhow, be nice. Remember the golden eternity
is yourself. "If someone will simply practice
kindness," said Gotama to Subhuti, "he will soon
attain highest perfect wisdom." Then he added:
"Kindness after all is only a word and it should be
done on the spot without thought of kindness." By
practicing kindness all over with everyone you will
soon come into the holy trance, infinite
distinctions of personalities will become what they
really mysteriously are, our common and eternal
blissstuff, the pureness of everything forever, the
great bright essence of mind, even and one thing
everywhere the holy eternal milky love, the white
light everywhere everything, emptybliss, svaha,
shining, ready, and awake, the compassion in the
sound of silence, the swarming myriad trillionaire
you are.

53

Everything's alright, form is emptiness and
emptiness is form, and we're here forever, in one
form or another, which is empty. Everything's
alright, we're not here, there, or anywhere.
Everything's alright, cats sleep.

54

The everlasting and tranquil essence, look around
and see the smiling essence everywhere. How wily
was the world made, Maya, not-even-made.

55

There's the world in the daylight. If it was
completely dark you wouldnt see it but it would
still be there. If you close your eyes you really
see what it's like: mysterious particle-swarming
emptiness. On the moon big mosquitos of straw know
this in the kindness of their hearts. Truly
speaking, unrecognizably sweet it all is. Don't
worry about nothing.

56

Imaginary judgments about things, in the
Nothing-Ever-Happened wonderful void, you dont even
have to reject them, let alone accept them. "That
looks like a tree, let's call it a tree," said
Coyote to Earthmaker at the beginning, and they
walked around the rootdrinker patting their
bellies.

57

Perfectly selfless, the beauty of it, the butterfly
doesnt take it as a personal achievement, he just
disappears through the trees. You too, kind and
humble and not-even-here, it wasnt in a greedy mood
that you saw the light that belongs to everybody.

58

Look at your little finger, the emptiness of it is
no different that the emptiness of infinity.

59

Cats yawn because they realize that there's nothing
to do.

60

Up in heaven you wont remember all these tricks of
yours. You wont even sigh "Why?" Whether as atomic
dust or as great cities, what's the difference in
all this stuff. A tree is still only a rootdrinker.
The puma's twisted face continues to look at the
blue sky with sightless eyes, Ah sweet divine and
indescribable verdurous paradise planted in
mid-air! Caitanya, it's only consciousness. Not
with thoughts of your mind, but in the believing
sweetness of your heart, you snap the link and open
the golden door and disappear into the bright room,
the everlasting ecstasy, eternal Now. Soldier,
follow me! - there never was a war. Arjuna, dont
fight! - why fight over nothing? Bless and sit
down.

61

I remember that I'm supposed to be a man and
consciousness and I focus my eyes and the print
reappears and the words of the poor book are
saying, "The world, as God has made it" and there
are no words in my pitying heart to express the
knowless loveliness of the trance there was before
I read those words, I had no such idea that there
was a world.

62

This world has no marks, signs, or evidence of
existence, nor the noises in it, like accident of
wind or voices or heehawing animals, yet listen
closely the eternal hush of silence goes on and on
throughout all this, and has been gong on, and will
go on and on. This is because the world is nothing
but a dream and is just thought of and the
everlasting eternity pays no attention to it. At
night under the moon, or in a quiet room, hush now,
the secret music of the Unborn goes on and on,
beyond conception, awake beyond existence. Properly
speaking, awake is not really awake because the
golden eternity never went to sleep; you can tell
by the constant sound of Silence which cuts through
this world like a magic diamond through the trick
of your not realizing that your mind caused the
world.

63

The God of the American Plateau Indian was Coyote.
He says: "Earth! those beings living on your
surface, none of them disappearing, will all be
transformed. When I have spoken to them, when they
have spoken to me, from that moment on, their words
and their bodies which they usually use to move
about with, will all change. I will not have heard
them."

64

I was smelling flowers in the yard, and when I
stood up I took a deep breath and the blood all
rushed to my brain and I woke up dead on my back in
the grass. I had apparently fainted, or died, for
about sixty seconds. My neighbor saw me but he
thought I had just suddenly thrown myself on the
grass to enjoy the sun. During that timeless moment
of unconsciousness I saw the golden eternity. I saw
heaven. In it nothing had ever happened, the events
of a million years ago were just as phantom and
ungraspable as the events of now, or the events of
the next ten minutes. It was perfect, the golden
solitude, the golden emptiness, Something-Or-
Other, something surely humble. There was a
rapturous ring of silence abiding perfectly. There
was no question of being alive or not being alive,
of likes and dislikes, of near or far, no question
of giving or gratitude, no question of mercy or
judgment, or of suffering or its opposite or
anything. It was the womb itself, aloneness, alaya
vijnana the universal store, the Great Free
Treasure, the Great Victory, infinite completion,
the joyful mysterious essence of Arrangement. It
seemed like one smiling smile, one adorable
adoration, one gracious and adorable charity,
everlasting safety, refreshing afternoon, roses,
infinite brilliant immaterial gold ash, the Golden
Age. The "golden" came from the sun in my eyelids,
and the "eternity" from my sudden instant
realization as I woke up that I had just been where
it all came from and where it was all returning,
the everlasting So, and so never coming or going;
therefore I call it the golden eternity but you can
call it anything you want. As I regained
consciousness I felt so sorry I had a body and a
mind suddenly realizing I didn't even have a body
and a mind and nothing had ever happened and
everything is alright forever and forever and
forever, O thank you thank you thank you.

65

This is the first teaching from the golden
eternity.

66

The second teaching from the golden eternity is
that there never was a first teaching from the
golden eternity. So be sure.


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Re: The Scripture of the Golden Eternity. [Re: dorkus]
    #5538194 - 04/20/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

great googly moogly, thats was a load of "oneness" mumbo jumbo.


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Re: The Scripture of the Golden Eternity. [Re: Ettin]
    #5538206 - 04/20/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You do not understand.


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Re: The Scripture of the Golden Eternity. [Re: dorkus]
    #5538668 - 04/20/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's like the elephant story, where the king has blind men touch different parts of the elephant and guess what it is. They all guess differently.

The writings above are ideas that brought the writers peace. They acknowledge the fact that the ideas are not necessarily objective truths. They are ideas that follow from the ideas of daily life.

I know nothing of Kerouac except that he is Buddhist. Buddhists try to find an end to suffering. Ideas such as those above apparently helped Kerouac and Cassady become more free from suffering.


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Re: The Scripture of the Golden Eternity. [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5538994 - 04/20/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Buddhists talk about a realization of no-self and emptiness. A realized being would probably not agree that hir realization was pure speculation. S/He would claim it comes from true experience.

There was once a fish. And just because it was a fish it had lived all its life in water and knew of nothing else than water. But one day it happened to meet a turtle who had just come back from a excursion on the land. The fish asked where it had been. The turtle said it had been on trip on dry land. The fish was surprised and sad dry land didn't exist. He said he had never seen it and stated it was nothing. But the turtle insisted that he had been there. The fish started inquiring what this so-called dry land was like;

- Is it all wet?

- No.

- Is it nice and fresh and cool?

- No, not nice not fresh not cool.

- Is it clear so that light can come through it?

- No, not clear. Light can't come through it at all.

- Is it soft and yielding so that I can move my fins in it?

- No, not soft not yielding and you can't swim in it.

- Does it move, does it flow in streams? -

- No.

- Does it ever raise up in waves with white foams in them?

- It never raises up in waves as I've seen.

- Hah! The fish exlaimed. - Didn't I tell you that this land of yours was just nothing! What else can it be than nothing?

- Well, well, said the turtle, - if you are determined that dry land is nothing, I suppose you must just go on believing so. But anyone who knows what is water and what is land, would say you are just a silly fish. For you think that anything you have never known is nothing just because you have never known it.

And with that the turtle turned away and leaving the fish behind in its little pond of water, set out on another excursion on the dry land that was nothing.


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Re: The Scripture of the Golden Eternity. [Re: dorkus]
    #5539953 - 04/21/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Very good analogy ! I :heart: parables :thumbup:


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Re: The Scripture of the Golden Eternity. [Re: dorkus]
    #5540449 - 04/21/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree that buddhist ideas come from experience, and are not at all speculation. That said, I hold to the words of my post above. Here is an example of why I feel this way.

"There's no system of teaching and no reward for
teaching the golden eternity, because nothing has
happened. In the golden eternity teaching and
reward havent even vanished let alone appeared. The
golden eternity doesnt even have to be perfect. It
is very silly of me to talk about it. I talk about
it simply because here I am dreaming that I talk
about it in a dream already ended, ages ago, from
which I'm already awake, and it was only an empty
dreaming, in fact nothing whatever, in fact nothing
ever happened at all. The beauty of attaining the
golden eternity is that nothing will be acquired,
at last."

It seems that don't try to discover the truth about everything. They try to gain mastery over themselves with this concept of consciousness and self as an illusory phenomenon.

I'm not criticising anything.


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