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InvisibleAntiMeme
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The European dream
    #3206451 - 10/02/04 12:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: The European dream [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3206487 - 10/02/04 12:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You don't "get rich" by working hard.

You get it by working smart.


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Re: The European dream [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3206497 - 10/02/04 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Because "getting rich" is what it's all about.


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Re: The European dream [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3206532 - 10/02/04 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You get it by working smart.

Or by working dumb but kissing plenty of ass.


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Re: The European dream [Re: Xlea321]
    #3206540 - 10/02/04 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes, kissing ass is the smart thing to do.


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Re: The European dream [Re: Evolving]
    #3206584 - 10/02/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah yeah yeah. Here's a quote from the article:

"The American Dream emphasizes economic growth, personal wealth, and independence. The new European Dream focuses more on sustainable development, quality of life, and interdependence. The American Dream pays homage to the work ethic. The European Dream is more attuned to leisure and "deep play." The American Dream is inseparable from the country's religious heritage and deep spiritual faith. The European Dream is secular to the core. The American Dream depends on assimilation: We associate success with shedding our former ethnic ties and becoming free agents in the great American melting pot. The European Dream, by contrast, is based on preserving one's cultural identity and living in a multicultural world. The American Dream is wedded to love of country and patriotism. The European Dream is more cosmopolitan and less territorial.

Americans are more willing to employ military force to protect what we perceive to be our vital self-interests. Europeans are more reluctant to use military force and instead favor diplomacy, economic assistance, and aid to avert conflict and favor peacekeeping operations to maintain order. Americans tend to think locally while Europeans' loyalties are more divided and stretch from the local to the global. The American Dream is deeply personal and little concerned with the rest of humanity. The European Dream is more expansive and systemic, and therefore more bound to the welfare of the planet."


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Re: The European dream [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3206947 - 10/02/04 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cultural identity is stupid and useless conformism.


Diplomacy kills more innocent people than war.


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Re: The European dream [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3207089 - 10/02/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Having lived a third of my life in the US and two thirds in Europe, I have to agree with the article.

America favors the progression of individually dreamed of achievements. In the end this leads to nowhere because the society hasn't progressed as a whole.

Whereas Europe favors the progression of the society itself, it starts from the ground up, and builds upon the positive things that have been aquired.

Anyways, I'm stoned, read the article it says it much better than i can..


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Re: The European dream [Re: exclusive58]
    #3207444 - 10/02/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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exclusive58 said:
Having lived a third of my life in the US and two thirds in Europe, I have to agree with the article.

America favors the progression of individually dreamed of achievements. In the end this leads to nowhere because the society hasn't progressed as a whole.

Whereas Europe favors the progression of the society itself, it starts from the ground up, and builds upon the positive things that have been aquired.

Anyways, I'm stoned, read the article it says it much better than i can..




I think you have that exactly backwards. Europe hasn't excelled at anything but vacation time for decades and the chickens are coming home to roost on that one NOW. There are strikes in Holland now, over new work rules, the Germans and everybody else are cutting unemployment bennys and England has for some time been smacking people off the dole. No individual will ever work his ass off for the good of society, he will only do it if he can see something in it for himself and/or those VERY close to him.


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