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OfflineSuntzu
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ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures
    #3157089 - 09/20/04 07:55 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

It sounds like it may not be Cordyceps, but a species of Fusarium. I've sent it out to quite a few people, and originally obtained it from Anno. So if there's any chance you think you might be part of the chain, probably best to just pitch it. Apparantly the original source misidentified or mislabeled the product, and subsequently stopped offering it. I hope no one has been making extracts from it!


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Suntzu]
    #3157483 - 09/20/04 09:40 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

:eek: :shocked: :eek: :shocked:


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Suntzu]
    #3157556 - 09/20/04 09:56 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Damn Amatures! Fusarium is a dangerously mutable and often toxic mold.Mistakes like this bring an end to great hobbies,legaly or permanently.
Having mislabled a Agaricus culture on grain once I cannot claim personal blamlessness, however agar cultures cannot be treated so casualy at all.I do hope Boxtop is not on in this "ring" as he and his spouse are beginng to take "cordyceps" extract.You may wish to PM him on this if so.
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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: whiterasta]
    #3157913 - 09/20/04 11:14 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

I don't know anything about the original supplier, or how the Fusarium ID was made. I agree with you, but I doubt this was a casual mislabel. Seems more likely that someone intentionally tried to pass it off: It's an easy thing to do; How do you tell if you have a true cordyceps? PCR? Similarly, it might have been contaminated at a step in early passings [or during the isolation itself]. Regardless, someone was apparantly making money selling this thing as cordyceps, and the product itself was 'shown' to be a Fusarium.
I only sent it out to a few people, but I have no idea how many people before or after.
Boxtop is posting on some commercial preparations.


Edited by Suntzu (09/20/04 11:18 PM)


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Suntzu]
    #3158373 - 09/21/04 12:49 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

LOl oh no shit! Did it turn the agar red? It looked mushroomy instead of moldy though. Are you posotive annos culture is what you say?


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Suntzu]
    #3158792 - 09/21/04 02:31 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

>I don't know anything about the original supplier

The original supplier was DSMZ in Germany, which sold the culture to www.biopilze.de, and they gave it to me.


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Anno]
    #3158801 - 09/21/04 02:33 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

So Anno do you denie these aligations? And may I remind you, you are under oath.


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3161183 - 09/21/04 07:32 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Does anyone have a true culture of Cordyceps sinensis that they want to offer? I have been looking for one for some time.THX


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Suntzu]
    #3169392 - 09/23/04 12:06 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

so Suntzu r u saying your mealworm experiments were using fusarium

if so that still a pretty cool transfer for a plant pathogen :smile:


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Suntzu]
    #3169933 - 09/23/04 02:38 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

was just going to order both cordyceps cultures from DSMZ,
eyah,
spoke with the Prof. and he said they have proved that the culture sent to them IS a Fusarium!

so,
does anyone know where to get a real culture?

hi everybody,


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: psiloz]
    #3171445 - 09/23/04 08:44 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

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so Suntzu r u saying your mealworm experiments were using fusarium

if so that still a pretty cool transfer for a plant pathogen 




NO it is NOT "cool" it is very dangerous.
1)fusarium is easily mutable to find a food supply and is often pathogenic as a grain contaminant.

2)"selecting" a strain which feeds on insects is not only dangerous but could easily bring unwanted attn to an interesting hobby should ANYONE fall ill and the press bring forth "amature" microbiologists and the danger of "bioterrorism"

3)It is a gross mismanagement of a pathogenic culture,period.

Home microbiology is as yet one of the few fairly unregulated scientific hobbies. It is mistakes like this which bring in governments to "control" the "danger".

Please.....submerge this fuxup.

If you fuxup like this again,please do not publicly post you have been mistakenly playing with a highly pathogenic culture.And contact via PM those involved. In other words please don't be so indescreet or public about possibly watched biological hazards like fusarium.

www.ars.usda.gov/is/np/systematics/fungibact.htm

And if you are serious about a TRUE culture write,in Korean, to this man
HERE
Represent yourself well and with respect and you will probably recieve several.
WR:wexican:


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: whiterasta]
    #3178128 - 09/25/04 06:03 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I dont share your acute concern White rasta

I do see the danger in the possibility of someone having eaten or been exposed to this culture. Perhaps the biggest danger and fuck up was with the upstream culture library

as they say alls well that ends well and its a valuable lesson not to assume you get waht you ask for even from the pros. Mu bet is we all isolate some questioanble things all teh time when things contam , the only difference here was trust, people trusted that the name given was correct. We need to trust authority much less is the broader lesson i feel

As for regulation and the terrorist threat
Fuck it i refuse to be intimidated by the fear jockeys - the ones who profit from freaking us out with hyped up threats and propaganda - while actually doing nothing but increasing the risk by ignoring the roots of the danger
Censorship is their tool, the Truth is ours
Regulated or unregulated they cant stop this hobby if they wanted to
they can barely make a dent in people making Meth and that needs funky apparatus and chemicals
I could grow many nasty things on the contents of my kitchen cupboard
using empty jars and a pressure cooker, if i wanted to.
There isnt a hope in hell of stopping anyone who wants to from making a type of biological weapon at home with organisms freely captured from the wild. period.
The only thing they can regulate themselves to do is to remove the incentives that makes more than just the occassional madmen want to bring down our society (there'll always be a fraction of nutters but were actually giving sane people reason to want to hit back at us - so many that we have no hope of stopping them all - why do that? especially when you know you cant stop them.)
The arm of the law only reaches so far, after that its the goodwill of our fellow humanity thats makes us safe.

I think its the correct and mature thing to have posted this 'recall' and it shows respect for our intelligence and our safety

its more important we have transparency and people dont get hurt than hushing it up and having people die cos we were afraid it might look bad


Edited by Mycena (09/25/04 06:10 AM)


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Mycena]
    #3178182 - 09/25/04 07:15 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

woow ! definitely something that makes me thinking ...


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Re: ATTN; anyone who has received Cordyceps cultures [Re: Mycena]
    #3178473 - 09/25/04 11:27 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I was actually very close to making this culture into tincitures. Good thing I am slow!


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