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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017851 - 08/18/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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rogue_pixie said: Nothing ever stays the same, science is always changing, doesn't that tell you that reality is a farce.
science changes because its being improved on as we grow more intelligent and come up with better ways to learn things. Further improving our understanding of our reality doesnt make it a farce.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: Chronic7]
#3017862 - 08/18/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Time changes so much, whatever you beleive is impossible in our relaity will probably be possible in 100 years or so......
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: Barbi]
#3017883 - 08/18/04 11:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said:
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rogue_pixie said: Nothing ever stays the same, science is always changing, doesn't that tell you that reality is a farce.
science changes because its being improved on as we grow more intelligent and come up with better ways to learn things. Further improving our understanding of our reality doesnt make it a farce.
If science relies on hard, cold fact, then why does it completely change so often then? Humans only know what they percieve. Reality = shit.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: Barbi]
#3017887 - 08/18/04 11:03 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"re?al?i?ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-t) n. pl. re?al?i?ties The quality or state of being actual or true. One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: ?the weight of history and political realities? (Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.). The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence. That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not seem to be about reality."
ok here I see there is difference between existence and essence vs. that which exists obejctively: your observations do not seem to be about reality."
this is all about the nature of existence itself. it's shitty I have to go to work right now
been very cool debating with your mr freeze. at least you don't revert to name calling or other childish acts. 
i have hopes we can continue this debate at some other time (like later today )
-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017888 - 08/18/04 11:03 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Becuse if it didnt change with new information the world would still be flat sillyass.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017909 - 08/18/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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science relies on a certain type of logic. just like philosophy has it's own certain type of logic. philosophy changes, jsut like science does, doesn't make it BS.
this comp is running, as is my fridge.
quite simply, science works, it's jsut not the ONLY thing that works
-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: Barbi]
#3017918 - 08/18/04 11:09 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Becuse if it didnt change with new information the world would still be flat sillyass.
For all those silly ass scientists know we could be living on a huge floating turtle shell.
-------------------- "Whatever you do, you need to keep moving. Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally). Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017935 - 08/18/04 11:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you prove it, it will become fact. Otherwise, we work on what we have to work with :P
Ignoring it doesnt make it go away.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: Barbi]
#3017938 - 08/18/04 11:16 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: If you prove it, it will become fact. Otherwise, we work on what we have to work with :P
Ignoring it doesnt make it go away.
Many cases in science have been "proved" and then "proved" wrong after all.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017952 - 08/18/04 11:21 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the nature of science and how it works. Do you ahv a better method? Maybe we can just make shit up and guess based on shamans, priests and old stories.
Dont be so angry that science works, and has hard lined definitions and methods of proving and disproving things, and that you really just didnt understand a simple definition of a word.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017953 - 08/18/04 11:21 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay okay, how do you explain this then?
Picture the scene, girl walks into bar, your mate turns to you and says "phwoarrr look at that hotty". You turn back in disgust and say "what are you thinking man, she's butt-ugly".
-------------------- "Whatever you do, you need to keep moving. Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally). Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017976 - 08/18/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's a matter of taste. if you say the world is a sphere (because it's a fact) and your buddy sais it's flat it's not flat. so what I mean is; beauty is subjective
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3017980 - 08/18/04 11:28 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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rogue_pixie said: Okay okay, how do you explain this then?
Picture the scene, girl walks into bar, your mate turns to you and says "phwoarrr look at that hotty". You turn back in disgust and say "what are you thinking man, she's butt-ugly".
opinion != fact.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: Barbi]
#3018000 - 08/18/04 11:33 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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People wouldn't have the opinions they do if they didn't believe themselves to be correct.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3018024 - 08/18/04 11:39 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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come on, opinions are personal.
"in my opinion this pizza tastes good!"
"really? because in my opinion it's disgusting!"
neither is 'correct'. it only applies to the person who sais it.
a fact is a fact because it is so for everyone and you can't argue about it.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: stefan]
#3018040 - 08/18/04 11:44 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just because the majority agree with something by no means does it make it correct.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3018067 - 08/18/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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When it comes to science, yes it does.
You need to read up on the scientific method for establishing fact, as well as go back to middle school where you are taught the difference between facts and opinions.
The fact is reality is defined.
you not liking that is opinion.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3018074 - 08/18/04 11:51 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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ofcoarse not but when I say: Iron is heavier by volume than water. this is a fact, no one will say it isn't true. do you agree?
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: stefan]
#3018085 - 08/18/04 11:54 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Facts are myths.
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Re: A question for shroomers........ [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3018090 - 08/18/04 11:55 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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me likes  it's raining again damnit
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